Oct 29, 202647 minS5
Emily Pick (Director of Product Marketing at Docebo ) can do product marketing in her sleep. So when she earned the director title, she took it. Is it still worth it? She tells her side of the story, and if you're...
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B2B product marketers in SaaS businesses are feeling misunderstood. Struggling to position what they do internally. Colleagues not having one clear idea what they do either.What if there was a better way? This is We're Not Marketers.The new podcast for SaaSy B2B product marketers who want CEO buy-in on what they do. Get the weekly masterclass without the inflated tuition and entry-level requirements, just to get your foot in the door.Stop being overlooked and start listening.Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
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What is We're Not Marketers about?
B2B product marketers in SaaS businesses are feeling misunderstood. Struggling to position what they do internally. Colleagues not having one clear idea what they do either. What if there was a better way? This is We're Not Marketers. The new podcast for SaaSy B2B product marketers who want CEO buy-in on what they do.
What has We're Not Marketers covered recently?
Recent episodes include "IC vs PMM leadership. Is the promotion today still worth it? (with Emily Pick)" (29 October 2026, 47 minutes), "Time to pivot? Fractional PMMs reveal." (22 October 2026, 35 minutes), and "They're Paying $400K for a Job Product Marketers Already Do, w/ Elliott Rayner" (8 October 2026, 40 minutes).
How often does We're Not Marketers publish?
We're Not Marketers publishes roughly weekly, with episodes averaging 44 minutes across 82 episodes.
How hard is it to get booked on We're Not Marketers?
Booking probability for We're Not Marketers is 34%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. We're Not Marketers requires a Pod Score of 80 or higher. We're Not Marketers's contact route on record: verified email.
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The strongest fits for We're Not Marketers are IT Services & Software Development and Marketing, Advertising & PR. We're Not Marketers has a business audience.
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Episode #20
Time to pivot? Fractional PMMs reveal.
Oct 22, 202635 minS5Three fractional PMMs (Eric, Gab and Zach), one uncomfortable question: when you pivot your offer, do you actually know what you're doing? In this next episode, Zach opens up about his two business pivots this year...
Oct 8, 202640 minS5Companies are posting head of storytelling roles at around $400K a year, and Elliott Rayner (Head of Storytelling at OWOW Agency and Creator of The Story Cohort ) has the receipts: 25 of those job descriptions, pulled...
Episode #18
Death to Sameness w/ Nina Churchill
Oct 1, 202641 minS5Nina Churchill quit her corporate PMM job effective immediately. She then wrote a series of posts on LinkedIn that reached about half a million people. She's a fellow product marketer and founder of Fresh View Concepts...
Sep 24, 202641 minS5Your CEO just said you're hosting an event. You've never run one. Now what? Maggie Arai is the Founder of IRL Studios, where she designs in-person events for online brands. She's run more than 70 of them. She's also the...
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Sep 17, 202632 minS5Eric Holland and Gab Bujold recorded this one on a deck in Stowe, Vermont, in the middle of Drive, with a cardboard cutout of Zach standing in for the third host. It is the first We're Not Marketers episode made in...
Sep 10, 202637 minS5Video landed on every marketer's plate this year. Nobody added headcount for it, and nobody explained how to actually get one made. Natalie Taylor runs marketing at Capsule, where enterprise teams like HubSpot...
May 14, 202650 minS5Jason Druss spent 15 years being the customer — a film colorist at Warner Bros, NFL Films, and his own Philly boutique — before Adobe pulled him into product marketing for Premier Pro and After Effects. In this episode...
May 7, 202642 minS5Some of B2B are the cool kids shouting "synergy" with spinach dip in hand. Gila Shapiro — copywriter, PMM, and resident chaos agent at Fireflies.ai — joined the crew to roast corporate buzzwords, expose "copy thinking"...
Apr 23, 202637 minS5Louis Grenier has run a podcast called Everyone Hates Marketers for 8 years. He's not here to be nice about it. In this episode, Lou breaks down why product marketing only exists because B2B tech forgot what customers...
Jan 29, 202643 minS5Are product marketers actually marketers, or are they just glorified slide deck designers waiting for sales to bark orders? David Lim—a PMM who's survived Google, HP, and multiple startups—joins the skeleton crew to...
Jan 15, 202648 minS5Product marketers think they own the messaging. SEO thinks they own the traffic. But who actually owns your website—and why are they both probably wrong? In this spicy debate with BX Studio, we dig into the turf war...
Jan 8, 202647 minS5Crystal Crouch turned driving the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile into a product marketing empire - and she's not keeping the secrets. The woman who put Zach on the consulting path drops truth bombs about why 90% of company...
Dec 18, 202554 minS5Product marketers aren't marketers—they're architects while everyone else chooses to paint walls (no shade). Hattie the PMM shares her brutal journey from respected CEO to crying on calls as a micromanaged IC, revealing...
Dec 11, 202553 minS5Product marketing is marketing at it's purest form (not our words) —but only if we redefine what marketing actually means. Garrett Jestice, founder of Prelude, explains why tech companies get marketing backwards, how AI...
Dec 4, 202556 minS5Your PMM credibility is at stake, CRO demands more leads, without knowing what's winning revenue. Sounds familiar? Drew Giovannoli, founder of Buried Wins, calls it the 'sales deck monkey'. Don't get him wrong, as he...
Nov 20, 202547 minS5Product marketers aren't marketers—they're non-conformist rebels! Amanda Groves, VP of PMM at Enable, who rocketed from IC to VP in just 2 years explains why. She breaks down why PMMs need to be trolls under bridges...
Nov 13, 202543 minS5Marketers have become glorified executors, and, Nick Power isn't here to sugarcoat it. The lowercase LinkedIn legend– who also leads marketing at Noun Project– joins us to explain why your strategy docs are bullshit...
Nov 6, 202545 minS5Product marketing—marketing's favorite misunderstood stepchild or just expensive project management in disguise? Pranav Piyush (ex-Dropbox, ex-Bill, founder of Paramark) joins the crew to drop some inconvenient truths...
Oct 30, 202547 minS5Season five kicks off with the announcement nobody asked for but everyone needed: We're Not Marketers is throwing an event, and it's nothing like the stale hotel ballroom marathons you're used to. Eric, Zach, and Gab...
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