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That Wasn't The Plan Human stories for those struggling to be human. A podcast for anyone whose life took a left turn when you were peacefully asleep. Life doesn't come with a script—thank god, because ours would've been returned for rewrites. Warning: May cause unexpected feelings, snort-laughing, and the overwhelming urge to text us your own "that wasn't the plan" story. Join co-hosts Emily White and Courtney Holland as they navigate the beautiful disasters, plot twists, and "well, that happened" moments that nobody warned you about. From bed bugs, winning the lottery, breaking your neck, and finding a furry lump on the side of the road that turns out to be your best friend. We're here to talk about the stuff that wasn't in your life plan: Getting sober. Couch-surfing at 35. Teaching Jazzercise in a thong leotard at 5 AM (Courtney looks great, by the way). Death showing up uninvited. Your career ghosting you. Each episode brin
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Signup to Generate a PitchThat Wasn't The Plan Human stories for those struggling to be human. A podcast for anyone whose life took a left turn when you were peacefully asleep. Life doesn't come with a script, thank god, because ours would've been returned for rewrites.
That Wasn't The Plan is hosted by Emily White & Courtney Holland. The show has published 39 episodes to date.
Recent episodes include "Five Stars, Would Not Recommend ft. Annie Edson Taylor" (29 October 2026, 20 minutes), "The Girls Who Fooled Sherlock Holmes" (22 October 2026, 14 minutes), and "From the Vault: Bed Bugs ft. Dr. Dini Miller" (16 October 2026, 64 minutes).
That Wasn't The Plan publishes roughly weekly, with episodes averaging 56 minutes across 39 episodes.
Booking probability for That Wasn't The Plan is 31%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. That Wasn't The Plan requires a Pod Score of 80 or higher. That Wasn't The Plan's contact route on record: verified email.
Emily White & Courtney Holland hosts That Wasn't The Plan, a society podcast with 39 episodes published.
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Episode #39
Send us Fan Mail On October 24th, 1901 — her sixty-third birthday — a retired schoolteacher named Annie Edson Taylor climbed into an oak barrel the size of a pickle cask, had the lid screwed down, had air pumped in with...
Episode #38
Send us Fan Mail In July 1917, a nine-year-old girl named Frances kept falling into a stream in Yorkshire and coming home with wet shoes. When the grown-ups asked why she kept going down there, she said she went to see...
Episode #37
Emily's on the road this week, so we're pulling one of our favorite early episodes out of the vault — originally released as Episode 6 back in Season 1, when Dr. Dini Miller became our very first-ever TWTP guest. We're...
Episode #36
Welcome to Sunday Brunch — a new TWTP format where Emily and Courtney invite a friend to the table to talk about the thing that's eating all of us at the same time. For our first one, we called in Becky Smith. Becky is...
Episode #35
No guest this week — just Emily and Courtney, a rainy day, some research, and an hour of the purest content this podcast has ever produced: animals doing extraordinary things for humans, for each other, and sometimes...
Episode #34
Everything you think you know about human trafficking is probably wrong. Dena Smiley is Chairman of the Board at Blazing Hope Ranch — a Tennessee-based Christian residential ministry that provides free two-year...
That Wasn't The Plan
(We open with a spirited debate about sweet potatoes and mayonnaise. Courtney flashes the camera. Miracle Whip is described as the devil's sauce. And then somehow we pivot to one of the most remarkable guests we've ever...
Episode #7
Do I Smell Almonds? No guest this week — just Emily and Courtney, one gorilla-glued tooth, and a three a.m. Google spiral that took a hard turn into poisons. What starts as Courtney describing the ongoing chemistry...
Episode #6
What happens when the story you've been telling yourself for ten years unravels over a single glass of wine on the other side of the world? Annie Elmendorf is a mother of two, a cyclist, an athlete, and a sister. She's...
Episode #5
"Send me all the genitals" ft. Dr. Patty Brennan What do you do when the wildest sentence of your career is "I was sure it was a worm" ? Dr. Patty Brennan is a Colombian-born, Cornell-trained evolutionary biologist, a...
Episode #4
What happens when the paperwork for your son's college applications cracks open something you thought you'd buried 35 years ago? Lucas Smith is a Colorado-native-turned-Seattleite, a software engineer of 15+ years...
Episode #3
This week Emily and Courtney sit down with Daisy Fulgham — wardrobe stylist turned sex and relationship coach, devoted wife of 34 years, mother of two, and the woman who, at 54, Googled "sex coaching programs," sat down...
Episode #2
Turns out That Wasn't The Plan is basically a Canadian podcast at this point. Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton — you all showed up before anyone south of the border figured out what was happening. So...
Episode #26
Welcome back. Season 2. We opened with a tiger shark. Seemed right. That Wasn't The Plan is back for Season 2 — and we are not easing anyone in gently. Our first guest is Kinga Philipps : journalist, explorer, Shark...
Episode #25
Happy 25th episode, everybody — and welcome to the Season One Finale of That Wasn't The Plan. Emily and Courtney sit down to close out Season 1 the only way they know how: completely unscripted, slightly unhinged, and...
Episode #24
<p>This week's guest<b>, Jonathan Fitzgerald,</b> showed up with a life story that none of us were fully prepared for.</p><p>Jonathan grew up the middle child of ten in Sarasota, Florida, in a family that could only be...
Episode #23
<p>(We open with Courtney's puppy accidentally getting marijuana poisoning. This is relevant because it sets the tone perfectly for an episode about a man whose life has taken approximately seventeen unexpected...
Episode #22
<p>No guest. No agenda. No plan. Just Emily and Courtney showing up, catching each other up on their weeks, and somehow covering: shoplifting ethics, a stolen Power Ranger backpack, a suspicious kid at Target, toad...
Episode #21
<p>(Courtney's back, everyone. Let the drinks flow. Also — Courtney's tooth made a brief unscheduled disappearance. We kept it in. You're welcome.)</p><p>This week, Emily and Courtney sit down with someone doing some of...
Episode #20
<p>(Fair warning: Emily's mouth was fully uncensored this episode — blame the tech gremlins. Also, our earrings nearly derailed the whole thing. You'll hear it. We kept it in.)</p><p>This week, Emily's co-host Courtney...
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