
Leaders in Living Rooms
LILR 166 | Building an Elite Team and the Hats Pastors Wear with Matthew Brown
In this episode of Leaders in Living Rooms, host Sean Morgan sits down with Matt Brown, pastor of Sandals Church, to unpack the tension pastoral leaders feel when the roles of friend, pastor, and boss collide in the same relationship. Matt challenges the instinct to soften hard conversations for the sake of the relationship, showing instead that clarity delivered with genuine care is what actually protects trust and long-term health on a team. Together, they explore how effective leaders learn to address problems early rather than let them fester, why staff exits — handled well or poorly — leave a lasting imprint on a leader, and how building a team strong enough to be submitted to is one of the most underrated marks of mature leadership. Welcome to Episode 166 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan.

