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  Kinsella On Liberty

  KOL500 | Libertad Individual Interview: Rothbard’s Framework, Legal Theory, Property Rights, Contract, Intellectual Property, Corporations, and More

  Sep 30, 2026—

  Kinsella on Liberty Podcast: Episode 500. Jorge Muñoz, host of the Libertad Individual Youtube channel, interviewed me recently: The Case Against Intellectual Property (Sept. 3, 2026; recorded Sept. 1, 2026). Shownotes and transcript below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRaylVL2ptc Shownotes: Join us for a live conversation with renowned libertarian legal scholar, patent attorney, and author Stephan Kinsella. We dive deep into the foundations of libertarian legal theory, the fundamental flaws of Intellectual Property (IP), and how genuine property rights are rooted in natural rights and Austrian Economics. Whether you are passionate about the history of patents, the legacy of Murray Rothbard, or the future of freedom in the digital age, this is a conversation you won't want to miss. Topics discussed in this stream: The philosophical and economic case against Intellectual Property. How the history of patents contradicts true property rights. Praxeology, natural rights, and the privatization of law. State monopolies, CBDCs, and the defense of financial liberty. The lasting impact of Murray Rothbard's legal framework. Books Mentioned Against Intellectual Property by Stephan Kinsella Stephan Kinsella, Legal Foundations of a Free Society (Houston, Texas: Papinian Press, 2023) Human Action by Ludwig von Mises “Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe: An Indispensable Framework,” in Rothbard at 100: A Tribute and Assessment, Stephan Kinsella and Hans-Hermann Hoppe, eds. (Papinian Press and The Saif House, 2026). The Machinery of Freedom by David Friedman The Market for Liberty by Morris and Linda Tannehill For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard The Ethics of Liberty by Murray Rothbard The Enterprise of Law by Bruce Benson Anarchy, State, and Utopia by Robert Nozick In Defense of the Corporation by Robert Hessen Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles by Jesús Huerta de Soto (He doesn't mention the exact title, but references Soto's chapters clarifying Roman law treatment of commodatum, mutuum, and irregular vs. regular deposits). It Usually Begins with Ayn Rand by Jerome Tuccille Websites & Links stephankinsella.com – Stephan Kinsella's official website where he hosts his work and books for free. The Universal Principles of Liberty propertyandfreedom.org – The official website of the Property and Freedom Society, which Kinsella manages and where you can find work by him, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, and other Rothbardian Austrians. Specific Articles/Blog Posts by Kinsella "Areas That Need Development from Libertarian Thinkers" "Disentangling Legal and Economic Concepts" "Where I've Changed My Mind" (Mentioning his shifts in thought regarding Bruno Leoni, F.A. Hayek, immigration, and intellectual property). Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction & New Book Announcements 01:40 - Murray Rothbard's Legacy & Influence 06:05 - Kinsella's Journey to Anarcho-Capitalism 11:27 - Why Legal Theory Matters for Libertarianism 18:07 - Debating Walter Block on Voluntary Slavery 28:32 - Debt Contracts and Future Title Transfers 35:21 - Corporations & Limited Liability in a Free Society 46:41 - Evaluating Javier Milei's Presidency 50:01 - The Case Against Intellectual Property 56:37 - Unresolved Issues in Libertarian Theory (Banking & Bitcoin) 1:07:44 - Final Thoughts & Recommendations Transcript Introduction & New Book Announcements 00:00 Jorge Muñoz: Hello everyone. Today we have a very special guest. Today we are with Stephan Kinsella. He's the author of this book that many of you know, Against Intellectual Property. And he had another book that is much bigger, that is Legal Foundations of a Free Society. And well, we had—yeah, there it is. It's pretty almost like Human Action. Stephan Kinsella: Yeah. I have a Spanish copy coming out. I just got the proof of it. So it will be released in Spanish on like Amazon or something pretty soon in the next month, I think, next weeks. Jorge Muñoz: That's great. So when that's live, I will upload it in the description. And well, today we have a lot of topics to speak about. But Kinsella, maybe in the Spanish-speaking libertarian world, is better known about the intellectual property. But well, the other day there was a streaming about Rothbard's 100th anniversary, and you spoke also about the theory of contracts. There is the book by the Property and Freedom Society, I believe, edited by you and Hoppe. Nice that I read some chapters, and that's great. You are in the year of Rothbard, and well, we can start with that maybe. What did Rothbard mean for you when you started, and what do you think is important about him today? Is he still relevant? Murray Rothbard's Legacy & Influence 01:40 Stephan Kinsella: Yeah. So I open my chapter in the book—Hans Hoppe and I decided to do this collection of essays in Rothbard's honor because his birthday, his 100th birthday, was this year. And so we released the book on that day. And then we also had a nice—the Mises Portugal and some other groups under Manuel Ogando had a nice one-day conference with about 400 people, some Portuguese, some Brazilians, some Spanish, some Europeans, some Americans, in Porto back in June. And in my chapter, it's called “Mises, Rothbard, and Hoppe: The Indispensable Framework,” which is using the dedication Rothbard used for a couple of his books, where he dedicated it to his wife, talking about how she was sort of the background framework for his work, because she was his sort of support system in his life. But I used it as an homage to that, but to point out, to emphasize what was the most—look, there's lots of important thinkers that we assemble when we come to our view of liberty. But I wanted to focus on what I think are the most important three to me and to sound libertarian thinking, and that's Rothbard, Mises, and Hoppe, with Rothbard being the central figure. Sort of he is the bridge between the two. Hoppe is sort of building upon Mises and Rothbard and integrating the two. But what Rothbard did was he integrated radical libertarian politics and anarchism with Mises's radical subjectivist and praxeological approach to economics and Austrian economics. So I believe Rothbard, because he made so much progress in developing ideas of liberty, libertarianism in the 20th century, as well as Austrian economics and promoting it, which are the two most essential disciplines to know for a sound understanding of politics. Of course you also need logic and history and scientific literacy and all that, political philosophy, sociology. But the two most important would be—you know, and math too, things like that. But the two most important would be economics and political philosophy, the nature of the state and the nature of human existence. So Rothbard—and he also was briefly in the Ayn Rand circles. And Ayn Rand, I think—look, as much criticism as Ayn Rand receives, and much of it deservedly so, because she was wrong on intellectual property, she was confused on rights, and she was not an anarchist—but still her overall worldview in general terms I think is correct, and Rothbard basically shares it, which is the four main tenets of her philosophy. Which is objective reality: reality exists. And epistemology: that we can—we have reason; the faculty of reason and the senses allow us to know reality and to understand it—which both of which I agree with, and which I think Rothbard did too. And then her ethics was like every man has the right to live for himself. That's rational self-interest or egoism, or she called it selfishness, which I think again just corresponds to individualism or the individual-centered view of social existence. And finally politics: she called it capitalism; we call it libertarianism. Those are all basically right. And Rothbard built on those, integrated them with Austrian economics, and made it more radical by adopting the anarchism. Kinsella's Journey to Anarcho-Capitalism 06:05 So for me, you know, I became interested in libertarian ideas when I read Ayn Rand in high school back in 1979 or so, so a long time ago now. And I was really into the Objectivist philosophy for quite a while. But I kept seeing the Libertarian Party pamphlets on campus at my college, and Ayn Rand had dismissed them as not being pro-liberty. So I initially assumed she was right, but I kept reading their pamphlets and they look very similar to my Objectivist politics and economics. And so I finally started reading Rothbard and Mises and Hazlitt and Bastiat and so many others—David Friedman, the Tannehills. And basically, you know, by the time I was in law school I had become a full-fledged Rothbardian anarchist. Now I would say that what opened my eyes to the error of Objectivism, which is the belief—so they believe in individual rights and economic free-market economics, but they still thought that a state was justified and necessary, albeit a minimal state. But, you know, you can sense something's wrong with that. I mean, there's an old joke that what's the difference between a minarchist and an anarchist, and it's about six months. Well, that might be true nowadays when there's lots of YouTube videos and you can move quickly from just internet discussions and things like that. But, you know, back before the internet, things were a little slower moving. It took me six, seven, eight years to become an anarchist. But anyway, I did it because I read books like David Friedman's The Machinery of Freedom, the Tannehills' The Market for Liberty, and Rothbard's For a New Liberty. Those are the ones that really—and maybe The Ethics of Liberty, but mostly For a New Liberty—those are the key works, plus some others like Bruce Benson, The Enterprise of Law, and also even Robert Nozick, Anarchy, State, and Utopia, which at first when I started reading it I thought it was an a

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  KOL499 | “Why is Austrian Economics Important?” BTCHEL Helsinki

  Sep 26, 2026—

  Kinsella on Liberty Podcast: Episode 499. I was invited by Knut Svanholm months ago (I appeared on his show earlier this year; see KOL484 | Praxeology, Property Rights & Bitcoin: Bitcoin Infinity Show #192, with Knut Svanholm) to participate in BTCHEL (perma) in Helsinki. I appeared earlier this morning on the panel "Why is Austrian Economics Important?", along with Knut and Rahim Taghizadegan, moderated by Thomas Brand of Coinmotion. Our panel topic description: Subjective value, time preference, and sound money: the Austrian ideas that keep surfacing in Bitcoin arguments. What the school actually claims, where it is genuinely contested including by other Austrians, and what any of it tells you about the money you are holding. I recorded it on my iphone, so my audio sounds clearest; professional video and audio to be posted later.

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  KOL498 | Adolf Reinach and his “On the Concept of Causality in the Criminal Law”

  Sep 20, 2026—

  Kinsella on Liberty Podcast: Episode 498 This is my speech delivered this morning at the 2026 Twentieth Annual Meeting of the Property and Freedom Society: Adolf Reinach and his "On the Concept of Causality in the Criminal Law." It is based in part on Kinsella, "Causation and Aggression," Hoppe, “Property, Causality, and Liability,” and Reinach, “On The Concept of Causality in the Criminal Law.” This recording is from my own iPhone. Professional video and audio will follow in due course. Related Reinach, “On The Concept of Causality in the Criminal Law” Kinsella, "Causation and Aggression," in Legal Foundations of a Free Society (Houston, Texas: Papinian Press, 2023) Based on Stephan Kinsella and Patrick Tinsley, “Causation and Aggression,” Q. J. Austrian Econ. 7, no. 4 (Winter 2004): 97–112 Kinsella, Causation, Aggression, the Law, and Reinach Hans-Hermann Hoppe, “Property, Causality, and Liability,” Q. J. Austrian Econ. 7, no. 4 (Winter 2004): 87–95, reprinted in Hoppe, The Great Fiction: Property, Economy, Society, and the Politics of Decline, Second Expanded Edition (Auburn, Ala.: Mises Institute, 2021) Jörg Guido Hülsmann, “The A Priori Foundations of Property Economics,” Q. J. Austrian Econ. 7, no. 4 (Winter 2004): 41–68 Larry J. Sechrest, “Praxeology, Economics, and Law: Issues and Implications,” Q. J. Austrian Econ. 7, no. 4 (Winter 2004): 19–40 Walter Block, “Austrian Law and Economics: The Contributions of Adolf Reinach and Murray Rothbard,” Q. J. Austrian Econ. 7, no. 4 (Winter 2004): 69–85 Leo Zailbert, “Toward Meta-Politics,” Q. J. Austrian Econ. 7, no. 4 (Winter 2004): 113–28 Barry Smith, “An Essay on Material Necessity,” in Philip Hanson & Bruce Hunter, eds., Return of the A Priori (Canadian J. Philosophy, Supplementary Volume 18, 1993): 301–322 Barry Smith and Wojciech Żełaniec, “Laws of Essence or Constitutive Rules? Reinach vs. Searle on the Ontology of Social Entities,” in Francesca De Vecchi, ed., Eidetica del Diritto e Ontologia Sociale. Il Realismo di Adolf Reinach (Milan: Mimesis, 2012): 83–108 Alessandro Fusillo (Italy): Adolf Reinach and his “A Priori Foundations of the Civil Law” Adolf Reinach’s “The Apriori Foundations of the Civil Law”. My Speech Notes Adolf Reinach and his “On the Concept of Causality in the Criminal Law” Stephan Kinsella Property and Freedom Society 2026 Annual Meeting Bodrum, Turkey Sept. 17–22, 2026 1905 a special year: Einstein’s “Miracle Year”: Photoelectric effect—light comes in packets, launched quantum Brownian motion—proved atoms Special relativity—space and time bend with speed. And E equals mc squared—mass-energy equivalence. Today let’s talk about a German from the last century with a mustache. Named Adolf. No, not the famous one. Adolf Reinach was born in 1883, died at 33 in 1917 fighting on the German side in WWI. A brilliant thinker, a phenomenologist and legal theorist, and was the closest pre-war collaborator of the famous phenomenologist Edmund Husserl He published a number of important works from about 1905 to 1914, when he joined the German army in WWI and was killed in action three years later, in 1917 Today we have two talks on two of his most important works, at least for Austro-libertarians. Alessandro has spoken already about his 1913 monograph on the a priori foundations of civil law, published when he was about 30 years old. See also my 2017 PFS talk: KOL225 | Reflections on the Theory of Contract (PFS 2017) and my topic is inspired by his 1905 dissertation “On the Concept of Causality in the Criminal Law” Also Einstein’s Miracle Year this paper was a major inspiration for my article “Causation and Aggression” and for Hans Hoppe’s article “Property, Causality, and Liability,” both published in 2004 in the QJAE and each based on our contributions to the 2001 I can only begin to give an overview of Reinach and some of the insights I and Hoppe have extracted from his dissertation For more details, see our 2004 papers; + Alessandro’s His 9-10 year publishing career, all in his 20s, also included interesting and important papers on William James and pragmatism; Kant and Hume on causality and necessity; judgment and the ontology of states of affairs; the phenomenology of deliberation and its ethical and legal significance; a critique of Natorp’s psychology; and a 1914 lecture on phenomenology that distinguishes his realist approach from Husserl’s later transcendental idealism It is quite incredible that Husserl is still relevant today, a century later; as Einstein is As Barry Smith, a libertarian thinker and prominent ontologist who has helped to promote interest in Reinach’s work, told me recently, interest in Reinach has been growing in recent years For example: “There has just been established a working group on the ontology of law, where Reinach is accepted as one fundamental influence.” “If you follow Adolf Reinach on google scholar, some 920 papers are identified since 2022. …” Grok thinks this is a bit imprecise, but… good enough for government work, as we say Part of this is also the continued interest in Searle’s work and increasing awareness of the ways in which Searle’s and Reinach’s ideas overlap. Reinach: theory of social acts; Searle: speech acts. (Grok) Reinach is of interest to me, and other Misesian Austrians, because of his work on legal theory, causation, and applications of Kant’s apriori methodology to social theory It is well known that one significant group of libertarians— Ayn Rand and Objectivists—despised Kant because of his so-called “idealism” Now as Hoppe has conceded, Kant was a somewhat murky thinker and Rand was perhaps relying on second-hand accounts and interpretations of Kant by the more “idealist” American Kantians Hoppe, My Discovery of Human Action and of Mises as a Philosopher Bruce Goldberg “Ayn Rand’s ‘For the New Intellectual’” (1961) Kinsella, “The Undeniable Morality of Capitalism” But there is a more “realist” school of Kant on the continent g., the philosopher Peter Janich Hoppe, My Discovery of Human Action and of Mises as a Philosopher Kinsella, A Visit with Hoppe: Touch, Janich, AI, Being Interviewed, Bankruptcy, Money and Demonstrated Preference; KOL461 | Haman Nature Hn 119: Atheism, Objectivism & Artificial Intelligence Mises employed Kantian terminology in his use of apriori concepts Mises drew on aspects of Kant’s framework that are compatible with realism As Hoppe has shown in his Economic Science and the Austrian Method, Misesian “Kantian” praxeology is realistic Not to be confused with Hoppe’s other interesting distinction between right- and left-libertarianism, that the right is essentially realistic in recognizing differences, natural authority, hierarchies, elites, whereas the left is unrealistic and egalitarian— and so libertarianism is a realistic “right” libertarianism Hoppe, A Realistic Libertarianism Interestingly, just as some Kantians (Mises, Hoppe) are realistic, and others more idealistic, after 1913 or so, Husserl turned toward transcendental idealism, and the phenomenology movement split into realists (Reinach, and others), who argued for a world that does not depend on consciousness (Ayn Rand would approve), and transcendental idealists (Heidegger, Sartre, and Derrida, and others) The leading realist phenomenologist, Reinach applied that method to social acts, law, judgment, and motion. Studies on motion: calls to mind Peter Janich’s aprioristic “protophysics,” e.g. Protophysics of Time; Euclid’s Heritage: Is Space Three-Dimensional? Before the somewhat recent resurgence of interest in Reinach’s ideas, there had been awareness of and interest in Reinach by various Austrians, including Barry Smith, who has a deep interest in libertarianism, Austrian economics, and ontology And so it came to be that Guido Hülsmann organized a Mises Institute international symposium on “Reinach and Rothbard” in 2001. In addition to Guido, the Director, the symposium included presentations by Walter Block, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Larry J. Sechrest, Barry Smith, and myself Some of these and related articles were published along with others in a symposium issue of the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, in 2004 Two of these, by Hans and myself, focused mainly on Reinach’s 1905 dissertation “On the Concept of Causality in the Criminal Law,” the main focus of my talk today INCIDENTALLY: I ended up publishing a previously-unpublished translation of this dissertation, by Danish-American philosopher Berit Brogaard, with the assistance of Barry Smith (who was her PhD advisor), in the first volume of my journal Libertarian Papers, in 2009 Coincidentally, Reinach’s 1913 paper “The Apriori Foundations of the Civil Law,” already discussed by Alessandro, is not very accessible It had been translated by the American philosopher John F. Crosby, and published in Aletheia in 1983. It was recently republished in Adolf Reinach, The Apriori Foundations of the Civil Law: Along with the Lecture “Concerning Phenomenology,” John F. Crosby, with a foreword by Alasdair MacIntyre (Ontos Verlag, 2012; now De Gruyter), but a good version is not readily available online Just last week, Barry Smith put me in touch with the translator, John Crosby, and supported my request for permission to reprint this important paper online in our Property and Freedom Journal. He said possibly yes, so we may be publishing another of Reinach’s most important works The reason Hans and I both found much of value in Reinach’s paper is its wealth of rich insights and useful examples exploring various cases of causation ...

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  KOL497 | Debate: “Should Free Cities Protect Intellectual Property?” Free Cities Foundation Annual Conference — Próspera, Honduras 2026

  Sep 6, 2026—

  Kinsella on Liberty Podcast: Episode 497. Yesterday (Sep. 5, 2026) I participated in the debate: “Should Free Cities Protect Intellectual Property?” with IP attorney Brian O’Beirne, moderated by Tipolis CFO Alex VossTopic, held at the Free Cities Foundation annual Conference, Próspera, Honduras, Sept. 4–7 (Sat. Sept. 5, 2026) (SK profile; O'Beirne profile) (see Free Cities Foundation Annual Conference — Próspera 2026). https://youtu.be/4GWPdxnpCOI I spoke for 4 minutes, then Brian, and then we had an exchange and audience questions for the remaining time. It was very civil unlike some other debates I've participated in. (( KOL038 | Debate with Robert Wenzel on Intellectual Property; KOL123 | Debate with Jan Helfeld on Anarchy vs. Limited Government. )) Transcript and shownotes below. Related/mentioned “Conversation with an author about copyright and publishing in a free society” (Jan. 23, 2012) Copywrong: copyright as censorship KOL346 | Copyright and Satoshi’s Legacy: The Tatiana Show, with Tatiana Moroz How to Improve Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Law FDA and Patent Reform: A Modest Proposal “Are Patents Needed to Make Up for FDA Kneecapping?” (July 2, 2011) KOL190 | On Life without Patents and Copyright: Or, But Who Would Pick the Cotton? (PFS 2015) Mark Lemley: The Very Basis Of Our Patent System… Is A Myth (July 29, 2011) Frank H. Easterbrook, “Intellectual Property Is Still Property,” Harv. J.L. & Pub. Pol’y 13, no. 1 (Winter 1990): 108–118, pp. 109–110 (on inevitable disclosure) Intellectual Property’s Great Fallacy KOL190-2 | Part 2: On Life without Patents and Copyright: Or, But Who Would Pick the Cotton? — Panel Discussion, Hoppe, Dürr, Kinsella, van Dun, Daniels (PFS 2015) The Overwhelming Empirical Case Against Patent and Copyright “The Problem with Intellectual Property,” in Handbook of the Philosophical Foundations of Business Ethics Do Business Without Intellectual Property (Liberty.me, 2014) The Universal Principles of Liberty Shownotes and Summary Overall Summary of Debate At the Free Cities Conference in Próspera, Alex Voss moderated Stephan Kinsella against Brian O’Beirne on whether intellectual property is legitimate and what a free city should do about it. Kinsella argued that property exists only to allocate scarce, rivalrous means (self-ownership, first use, contract, restitution); ideas are guides to action, not ownable things. Patent and copyright are statutory privileges—historically Crown monopolies and press control—that impose unconsented negative servitudes on other people’s property, block independent inventors, enrich large firms, and should be abolished. O’Beirne treated IP as a right in human ingenuity and a last individual defense against corporate oligopoly and central banking. He granted that the present code is broken (thickets, trolls, life-plus-70) but said abolition would hand creators’ work to those same firms; the answer is reform, sector-scaled terms, and symmetry of rights, not erasure. On practice they were closer. Both said Próspera should not pick a treaty fight that threatens the zone. O’Beirne wanted opportunistic protection to attract builders (CAFTA-DR/TRIPS, Infinita). Kinsella wanted the lightest lawful touch—no treble damages, no criminal copyright, shorter terms, Founders’ copyright, no software copyright—and stressed that patents are territorial, so skipping a local patent office does not stop U.S. or European filings and is largely irrelevant for exporters. Audience questions (expiry of “property,” fire and the wheel, trademarks, pharma/FDA) replayed the same split: O’Beirne qualified rights by the common good and novelty; Kinsella called consistent IP perpetual, the patent-bargain a myth, and patents a patch on the FDA. Summary of Kinsella's position (from Grok, based on the transcript and his pre-debate email exchange with O'Beirne and Voss) Stephan Kinsella’s case against intellectual property, as he put it to Alex Voss before the session and then on stage, has two layers that he keeps joined: a rights argument about what property is, and a practical argument about what a free city should do when it cannot get the ideal. Voss had already framed the dispute narrowly: patents and copyrights—exclusive rights in inventions and works that bind strangers without a contract. Contracts, NDAs, employment terms, and trade secrets were set aside as different questions. Voss’s sketch of Kinsella’s theory (conflict over scarce means; title by appropriation or transfer; creation not an independent source of title; information as patterning of an already-owned substrate; IP as a veto over others’ things) Kinsella accepted, then added history, scale of harm, and institutional design. 1. What property is for The four-minute opening is the core. We do not live in the Garden of Eden. Action uses two things: scarce means that can cause results, and knowledge that tells us how to use them. Knowledge can be copied; a hammer or a factory cannot be used two incompatible ways at once. Because people have free will, conflict over those scarce means is always possible. Property rights are the norms that let people possess and use those means peacefully—self-ownership of the body; original appropriation of unowned external resources; contract; restitution for wrongs. That, he says, is the spine of Roman law, common law, and a consistent libertarianism. Ideas do not fit. They are not “conflictable.” They exist only as the patterning of some already-owned substrate (paper, a chip, a machine). You own what you make because you already owned the inputs, not because “creation” mints a new title. Patent and copyright therefore do not add a new kind of property. They give A a legally enforceable veto over how B uses B’s own press, factory, or chemicals. In the debate he calls that a nonconsensual negative easement or servitude—the same structure as a restrictive covenant, minus the neighbors’ consent. Consent is the whole difference. He is explicit that he does not care about “symmetry.” A rule that everyone may sue everyone for defamation, or for welfare, would be symmetric and still unjust. First-to-the-patent-office does not even guarantee uniqueness: independent inventors are blocked. That is enough, for him, to reject the system as a matter of justice, before any spreadsheet about incentives. 2. History, legislation, and the dishonest name He adds what Voss’s paragraph left out. Patent began as Crown privileges to shield favorites from competition (Statute of Monopolies, 1623). Copyright began as control of the press and unapproved speech (Statute of Anne, 1710). They did not grow out of common-law title; they were statutes. In the email he presses a further institutional point: patent and copyright cannot exist without a legislature empowered to make law. Organic court-made law—Roman law, common law, Restatements, even a scholarly compilation adopted as a code—resolves disputes over scarce things. It does not invent a 17-year monopoly in a pattern. A free city that takes common-law or Restatement principles as its base, and treats legislation as rare and suspect, has a structural reason not to enact IP at all. His Universal Principles of Liberty are meant that way: not as a statute. He tells Brian that origin is not his only argument (so the “genetic fallacy” charge misses). He also opposes trademark, defamation, and trade secret, some of which did come through common law. “Sometimes the common law gets it wrong.” The name “intellectual property” is the propaganda move: a state privilege flying the flag of property and capitalism. That is why he calls it intellectual privilege and why, in the email, he ranks abolishing or shrinking it with war, taxation, and central banking—and in one respect worse, because those are at least seen as evils, while IP is sold as a positive good. 3. “Property in value,” labor theories, and the treaty web The email states the deeper error he thinks sits under most pro-IP talk: a property right in value, fed by a Lockean labor theory of property and a Smithian–Marxian labor theory of value. Labor and ingenuity do not generate title in other people’s already-owned stuff. That fallacy, he writes, now binds almost the whole world through the Paris Convention, the PCT, Berne, TRIPS, and WIPO. So the theoretical case is not academic. It explains why a new city cannot simply opt out without cost. On stage he answers the “ingenuity deserves respect” line the same way: respect is not a veto over neighbors. Copying freely is why the species is richer. Elon forgoing patents “defensively” is the exception that shows the rule: portfolios accumulate in large firms, thicken into cartels, and do not liberate the lone inventor. 4. Consequences he treats as confirmation, not the foundation He is not a utilitarian first, but he treats the results as what you would expect from a privilege. Patents suppress and distort innovation, raise prices, impede R&D. Copyright censors speech and warps culture. The “patent bargain” (monopoly in exchange for disclosure the public would not otherwise get) is a gyp: firms patent what they would reveal by selling the product anyway and keep the rest as trade secrets (he points to work associated with Easterbrook and a post on c4sif.org). Fire and the wheel would be patentable subject matter; term limits and “laws of nature” exclusions are political patches, not principles. Consistent IP advocates (Galambos, some Randians, J. Neil Schulman, Spooner) therefore want perpetual terms. Trademark does not mainly stop fraud; Chanel can seize knockoffs the buyer knows are knockoffs. Reputation is not ownable. He ranks harms: patents worst, then copyright, then defamation, then trademark; mask works and moral rights are trivia. Pharma: patents are a patch on the FDA,...

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  KOL496 | Matt Sands and Kinsella on the Universal Principles of Liberty and the Nations of Sanity “Peace Agreement”

  Aug 15, 2026—

  Kinsella on Liberty Podcast: Episode 496. Matt Sands of the Nations of Sanity project and I discuss the possible interrelationship between his project and my The Universal Principles of Liberty. Recorded Aug. 14, 2026. https://youtu.be/ET2ucqFU7Ak?si=VVcdipDX-umElPxR Related The Universal Principles of Liberty Supplemental Principles | Kinsella’s Annotations and Commentary KOL442 | Together Strong Debate vs. Walter Block on Voluntary Slavery (Matthew Sands of Nations of Sanity) Fusillo on the Universal Principles of Liberty and Liberland Libertarian Nation and Related Projects Liberland KOL480 | The Liberland Constitution and Libertarian Principles (Liberland Prague, 2025) The Voluntaryist Constitution Liberland Constitution Christmas Party Prague 2025 See also draft Liberland Constitution, Art. I, §1, ¶¶3, 4: The Universal Principles of Liberty, adopted on 14 August 2025 and as they stand on the date of adoption of this Constitution, are hereby incorporated by reference and may be consulted for interpretive and suppletive purposes, to the extent that they are not incompatible with the provisions of this Constitution. Any further amendment to the Universal Principles of Liberty shall have no force within Liberland unless adopted as an amendment to this Constitution in accordance with the procedures set forth herein. *** Summary (Grok) Introduction and Project Overviews 0:00 Matthew (Matt Sands) introduces himself as being from the Nations of Sanity Project, which defines crime and law through individual self-ownership and frames this as the terms of a peace agreement. He invites Stephan Kinsella to discuss that idea, Kinsella’s Universal Principles of Liberty document, the addendum Kinsella is preparing, and possible synergy between their work. Kinsella begins by explaining the origins of the Universal Principles of Liberty. Origins of the Universal Principles of Liberty 1:14 Around 2022, at the Reno Libertarian Party convention when the Mises Caucus temporarily gained influence, Kinsella helped add a concise platform plank defining aggression and property rights. The core principles are self-ownership (a defeasible presumption), ownership of previously unowned resources by first use or homesteading, contractual transfer, and rectification for harms. He later expanded these into the more detailed but still abstract Universal Principles of Liberty. He deliberately avoided contested topics such as abortion and immigration so the document could serve as a shared foundation. Liberland Experience and Motivation for Drafting 4:36 Years earlier Kinsella had been consulted on an early Liberland constitution draft. He withdrew because the project became a committee effort with statist impulses aimed at constituting a state rather than pure principles. Liberland later added a clause allowing the Universal Principles to guide interpretation of ambiguities. A separate project by Max Freemax, involving a largely uninhabited but habitable territory in Africa, finally prompted Kinsella to write the principles down as rules people could agree to live by, rather than as a constitution creating a state. Abstract Principles versus Concrete Rules 7:09 Drawing on Roman law, common law, civil codes, and Randy Barnett’s distinction between abstract principles and concrete legal precepts, Kinsella designed the Universal Principles as a high-level foundation. Day-to-day rules would later emerge organically through custom, arbitration, case law, and voluntary agreements such as covenant communities. He is now preparing two supporting documents: annotations explaining the drafting choices with further reading, and supplemental principles stating his own more detailed views on topics such as intellectual property, threats, fraud, standards of proof, and proportionality. Limits of Armchair Theorizing 15:02 Kinsella rejects writing a complete civil code. Law develops organically from real disputes with full context, not from hypotheticals such as the flagpole case or button-pushing scenarios. Even Roman jurists used hypotheticals sparingly and within a rich existing system. The principles provide a useful starting point, but concrete rules must grow from actual practice in free societies that do not yet exist. Gray Areas versus Areas of Disagreement 22:37 Sands and Kinsella distinguish genuine gray areas (fuzzy edges even under clear principles) from areas of disagreement where one side is simply mistaken. Intellectual property is given as an example of the latter: once scarce resources and first-use ownership are accepted, intellectual property is incompatible. Abortion is treated as involving a genuine gray area around the onset of rights-bearing sentience, while the claim that a mother’s self-ownership permits killing a rights-bearing child is not gray. Practical considerations—legal systems must function among competent adults, restitution is preferable to punishment because of fallibility, and late-term cases might remain under family rather than community jurisdiction—further shape the contours. Nations of Sanity Three-Part Peace Agreement 35:27 Sands outlines his proposed peace agreement in three parts: a basic statement of the non-aggression principle (for which the Universal Principles could serve as a useful foundation), “lines in the sand” that set limits of tolerance on differing interpretations of gray areas, and ratification of rightful ownership. He favors retaining elements such as the presumption of innocence and a high standard of proof for force, citing Chesterton’s fence. Jurisdiction, Age of Consent, and Mens Rea 38:50 They discuss whether principles are geographically limited. Both agree that clear rights violations justify defensive action even across communities, though practical constraints remain. Age of consent is treated as a gray area best left primarily to parents as guardians unless clear abuse occurs. Kinsella distinguishes intentionality (required for an action to exist) from purpose (which can affect the severity of the response). Mens rea matters, and purpose can justify greater leniency. Ignorance of the Law and Burden versus Standard of Proof 48:06 Kinsella argues that the maxim “ignorance of the law is no excuse” makes sense only for natural-law wrongs (malum in se) that everyone already knows; it is inappropriate for arbitrary statutory offenses (malum prohibitum). A detailed exchange follows on burden of proof versus standard of proof. Property disputes require a decision and therefore use a preponderance standard so ownership can be recognized. Institutional punishment or physical force against a person properly demands a higher “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard. Kinsella expects a free society’s legal order to be overwhelmingly restitution-based rather than punitive, because the costs and risks of punishment are high. They debate whether eviction after a property ruling still requires the higher standard. Kinsella maintains that once ownership is established by preponderance, continued occupation is clearly trespass. Sands remains unconvinced and suggests pinning the issue for later reflection. Both agree that voluntary covenants can adopt stricter evidentiary rules if participants consent. Limits on Covenants and Voluntary Slavery 1:22:42 Covenants cannot alienate core inalienable rights. Consent to bodily use (including sexual or combat agreements) can be withdrawn; property transfers, by contrast, can bind. This tracks Kinsella’s earlier debate with Walter Block on voluntary slavery. Precedents, Integration, and Closing 1:28:06 Sands emphasizes that a peace agreement is the only way to establish non-aggression principle law without contradicting the principle itself, contrasting it with top-down constitutions. He cites international law, the Law Merchant, and the abolition movement as partial historical precedents for bottom-up law. Kinsella notes additional examples and suggests that a practical agreement could reference the Universal Principles (plus supplements) together with cleaned versions of existing private-law sources such as the Louisiana Civil Code or the Restatements. He mentions L. Neil Smith’s earlier Covenant of Unanimous Consent as a rough antecedent. Both see clear potential for synergy. They agree to continue the discussion in a second conversation. Kinsella plans to share draft annotations and supplemental material when ready; Sands will review the existing principles for feedback. Transcript (Grok) Introduction to the Nations of Sanity Project and Invitation 0:00 Matthew: Hello, my name is Matthew. I'm from the Nations of Sanity Project. A project that's based on the assertion that crime and law can and should be defined by the concept of individual self-ownership and establishes the terms of a peace agreement. And I've invited Stephan Kinsella to have a conversation today about that idea and also about his Universal Principles of Liberty document as well as his addendum to that document that he's working on at the moment and how these, how his work and mine have a certain synergistic potential in my mind and I'd like to kind of explore that more with you. So perhaps, perhaps probably the best way to start this off if that's okay with you Stephan is to hand over to you to just introduce the Universal Principles of Liberty document. So I'll put a link in the description for people so they can check it out. And sorry I haven't properly introduced you to people but obviously most people know who Stephan Kinsella is. He's a well-known author, libertarian thinker, former patent attorney, and a writer of many books, but also the writer of a document called the Universal Principles of Liberty. And yeah, sorry if I hand over to you. Stephan, thanks again for taking the time to have this conversation. And yeah, just tell us a little bit about this document. ...

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