
Velocity:Performance Marketing Podcast
EP 17 - $1.5 Billion in Ad Spend & Why "Best Practices" Are Dead | Patrick Gilbert
$1.5 billion in ad spend. Two books. A section in Google's own Ads certification. Here's what Patrick Gilbert says actually wins in the AI era, and why most of the old rulebook no longer applies. In this episode of Velocity: Performance Marketing Podcast by Hawky, we sit down with Patrick Gilbert, CEO of AdVenture Media Group and author of two books, Join or Die: Digital Advertising in the Age of Automation and Never Always, Never Never: Strategic Marketing in an AI World . Patrick has overseen more than $1.5 billion in ad spend, and his work on AI-driven campaigns is featured inside Google's official Ads certification. Patrick makes the case that the era of "best practices" is over — marketing is poker now, not blackjack. He unpacks why the decade-long arbitrage of buying underpriced attention has completely dried up, why he won't put a single dollar into ChatGPT ads yet (and why Google is still the best ad platform on the planet), why ROAS is quietly pushing marketers toward the wrong decisions, and how an AI-first agency decides what to build versus what to keep buying. It's a first-principles tour of what really drives growth once the algorithm advantage is gone. Key Topics Covered: 00:00 - Meet Patrick Gilbert: $1.5B in ad spend, two books, and a seat in Google's certification 00:53 - From living inside the Google Ads UI to full-funnel, first-principles marketing 04:13 - "Join or Die": the 2017 bet on AI, the resistance, and how Google featured his work 11:21 - Marketing is poker, not blackjack — why "best practices" are over 13:54 - Always vs. never: where the playbook still holds, and the first dollar — Google or Meta? 15:17 - Why he won't spend on ChatGPT ads (and why Google still wins) 18:10 - Digital arbitrage is dead: the 10-year run that just closed, and where marketers add value now 24:03 - Channel specialists vs. the full-funnel operator: Red Ocean vs. Blue Ocean 30:17 - Why ROAS is lying to you: how he halved it and tripled profit (+ the 4 numbers to watch) 36:01 - Build vs. buy in an AI-first world: the SaaS purge, keeping HubSpot, and why the back end is the moat 44:12 - The takeaway: an AI coach trained on his books Meet Surender (Host & Co-Founder at Hawky): https://www.linkedin.com/in/say2surender/ Meet Patrick Gilbert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickjamesgilbert/ Patrick's new book & newsletter: https://neveralwaysbook.com About AdVenture Media Group: A digital advertising and education company founded by Isaac Rudansky, specializing in Google and Meta ads — pairing hands-on campaign management with training that's reached students worldwide. About Hawky: A creative intelligence platform that transforms marketing guesswork into data-driven success. From Ad Creative Analysis to AI-powered optimization, we help B2C brands and agencies achieve higher ROAS and predictable campaign performance. Book a Hawky demo: https://hawky.ai/get-demo More episodes: https://hawky.ai/podcast #GoogleAds #PerformanceMarketing #DigitalAdvertising #AIMarketing #MarketingStrategy #PPC #AdVentureMedia #VelocityPodcast #Hawky





