UFO to UAP Explained

Join Matt Tones every week on the 'UFO to UAP Explained' podcast, where we delve into the enigmatic world of unidentified aerial phenomena. From Roswell to the latest military disclosures, we uncover the truth behind government secrecy and explore cutting-edge technologies. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, our in-depth discussions and expert interviews are designed to challenge your perceptions and expand your understanding. Subscribe now and never miss an episode of intriguing insights and groundbreaking revelations.Website: https://ufotouap.podview.com

UFO to UAP Explained is a science podcast hosted by Matt Tones, with 77 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

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  Episode #80

  ASIS and the UFO Question: Australia's Secret Intelligence Link to Flying Saucers

  Sep 13, 202626 minS1

  In 1954, Australia’s Foreign Minister Richard Casey was quietly seeking answers about flying saucers through official government channels. Inside National Archives file M1148 — Flying Saucers 1954 to 1955 , one line changes the significance of the story: “Dictated over telephone by Mr. Brookes on 23/2/1954.” Alfred Deakin Brookes was then leading the Australian Secret Service, the organisation that would soon become ASIS. In Episode 80 of UFO to UAP Explained , we investigate how Australia’s founding foreign-intelligence chief became involved in passing information between Casey and Britain’s Directorate of Scientific Intelligence—and why that archival connection matters. The investigation then jumps forward almost seventy years to the modern UAP era, where Australian Defence has confirmed receiving classified analysis from the United States while participating in Five Eyes discussions about unidentified anomalous phenomena. The episode separates what the evidence proves from what remains unknown: there is no public evidence of a dedicated ASIS UFO program, but there is a documented historical intelligence connection and a modern Australian role in allied UAP information sharing. The question is no longer simply whether Australian intelligence ever encountered the UFO issue—it is how much of that intelligence history remains outside the public record. Episode Timestamps: (0:00) The 1954 memorandum that changes the story(2:10) Alfred Deakin Brookes revealed as Australia’s secret intelligence chief(4:05) M1148 — Richard Casey’s flying-saucer investigation(6:20) The origins of the Australian Secret Service and ASIS(8:50) Britain’s Directorate of Scientific Intelligence enters the case(11:20) What Casey was actually trying to discover(13:35) Australia’s wider government and scientific UFO inquiry(15:45) ASIS vs ASIO — why the distinction matters(17:30) The archive goes dark: why ASIS records are difficult to trace(19:45) Seventy years later: Australia seeks UAP intelligence from the United States(22:20) Classified U.S. analysis and the Five Eyes UAP connection(24:40) What the evidence proves—and what it does not(26:45) Could ASIS collect foreign UAP intelligence today?(28:20) The one line that survived and the unanswered question Sources: National Archives of Australia — History of Australian intelligence and security ; Australian Secret Intelligence Service — Our Story and Who We Are ; National Archives file M1148 — Flying Saucers 1954 to 1955 ; Project 1947 — Australian government archival research documenting Richard Casey’s 1954–55 interest in flying saucers and his use of overseas and scientific channels; Australian Department of Defence — FOI 710/23/24; U.S. All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office — Five Eyes UAP Caucus Working Group records concerning the May 2023 Five Eyes UAP collaboration framework. Keywords: ASIS UFO, ASIS UAP, Australian UFO files, Alfred Deakin Brookes, Richard Casey UFO, Australian Secret Intelligence Service, Australian Secret Service, flying saucers Australia, Australian intelligence UFO, M1148 Flying Saucers, Australian government UFO files, Five Eyes UAP, classified UAP intelligence, Australia UAP, Australian Defence UAP, UFO intelligence, UAP intelligence sharing, British Directorate of Scientific Intelligence, UFO history Australia, UFO to UAP Explained

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  Episode #79

  The Hidden UAP Histories: Indigenous Knowledge and UFO Encounters

  Sep 13, 202629 minS1

  Long before UFOs, UAP or modern astronomy, cultures around the world were already looking to the sky for knowledge, origins and meaning. In Episode 79 of UFO to UAP Explained , Matt Tones investigates The Hidden Histories: Indigenous Knowledge and UFO Encounters — from Aboriginal Australian sky knowledge, Baiame and the Wandjina, to Wurdi Youang’s possible solar alignments, Lakota traditions of star beings and Fallen Star, and the controversial Dogon claims surrounding Sirius B. Rather than forcing ancient traditions into a modern extraterrestrial framework, this episode asks what these cultures actually said, what the evidence supports, and where later UFO interpretations may have rewritten the story. Could stories of beings descending from the sky preserve memories of genuine anomalous encounters — or are we seeing spirituality, astronomy, oral history and modern expectations collide? We examine Indigenous astronomical knowledge, sacred geography, songlines, “Star People” traditions, the Dogon Sirius controversy, colonial distortion of oral knowledge, and whether traditional observation can contribute meaningfully to modern UAP research. The conclusion is more complex than “ancient aliens”: Indigenous knowledge does not need extraterrestrials to be extraordinary. Episode Timestamps: (0:00) Ancient sky beings and the hidden-history question(2:17) UFO to UAP Explained introduction(2:34) The danger of reading modern UFO ideas into ancient traditions(4:13) Aboriginal Australia: Country, sky and celestial knowledge(5:42) Baiame — the being who came down from the sky(7:35) Wandjina imagery and the Grey-alien comparison(9:53) Wurdi Youang, stone astronomy and celestial mapping(12:25) Could Aboriginal sky beings represent extraterrestrial encounters?(13:16) Lakota star knowledge, Tapun Sa Win and Fallen Star(15:56) The problem with the universal “Star People” narrative(17:11) Do similar sky-being traditions imply a shared event?(18:05) The Dogon mystery and Sirius B(20:20) The 1844 reveal — Sirius B was already known to Western astronomy(21:39) Dogon Restudied and the anthropological controversy(23:12) Colonialism, translation and who controls ancient stories(24:35) Can Indigenous knowledge contribute to modern UAP research?(25:22) The Same Sky — conclusion. Sources: Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies — Aboriginal Astronomy; Ray P. Norris, Dawes Review 5: Australian Aboriginal Astronomy and Navigation , Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia (2016); Norris, Norris, Hamacher & Abrahams — Wurdi Youang: An Australian Aboriginal Stone Arrangement with Possible Solar Indications (2013); Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian — Oceti Sakowin Homelands and the Fallen Star tradition; U.S. National Park Service — Lakota Star Knowledge and Sacred Sites; Marcel Griaule & Germaine Dieterlen — Un système soudanais de Sirius (1950); Walter E. A. van Beek — Dogon Restudied , Current Anthropology (1991); Geneviève Calame-Griaule — On the Dogon Restudied (1991); American Museum of Natural History — historical astronomy of Friedrich Bessel, Alvan Clark and Sirius B. Keywords: Indigenous UFO encounters, Indigenous sky knowledge, Aboriginal astronomy, Aboriginal UFO stories, Baiame, Wandjina, Wurdi Youang, Aboriginal star maps, Indigenous astronomy, Native American Star People, Lakota Star People, Fallen Star, Tapun Sa Win, Dogon Sirius mystery, Dogon Sirius B, ancient astronauts, ancient alien theory, sky beings, celestial knowledge, Indigenous oral traditions, UFO history, UAP history, extraterrestrial contact, UFO to UAP Explained, Matt Tones

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  Episode #78

  The Science of UAP: What Academic UFO Research Actually Reveals

  Sep 11, 202627 minS1

  THE SCIENCE OF UAP: What Academic Research Actually Reveals asks a simple question: what happens when UFOs stop being a belief debate and become a measurement problem? In Episode 78 of UFO to UAP Explained , Matt Tones follows the scientific trail from the Condon Report and decades of academic stigma to NASA’s modern UAP framework, the Galileo Project, UAPx field experiments and the growing use of calibrated multi-sensor observatories. The episode also examines atmospheric effects that can mimic extraordinary objects—including temperature inversions, mirages, light pillars, sprites, blue jets and other transient luminous events—and asks how researchers separate strange natural phenomena from aircraft, satellites, sensor artefacts and genuinely anomalous observations. The investigation culminates in the Palomar photographic-plate controversy: pre-Sputnik transient objects, reported statistical links to nuclear tests and historical UFO reports, and the subsequent academic challenge to those findings. We also examine Hessdalen as a case where unusual luminous phenomena have been repeatedly instrumented without producing a single universally accepted explanation. The conclusion is deliberately evidence-first: no peer-reviewed study has established that UAP are extraterrestrial or non-human technology, but academic research is finally building the instruments, datasets and methods required to determine what survives serious scientific scrutiny. Episode Timestamps: (00:00) — Palomar: the photograph that should not be there(02:25) — Condon Report: when science closed the UFO file(05:10) — NASA and the modern UAP data problem(07:05) — Atmospheric refraction, inversions and mirages(08:20) — Academic stigma and UAP research(10:15) — Light pillars, sundogs and optical effects(11:20) — Galileo Project: building instruments for UAP(13:05) — Sprites, blue jets, ELVES and transient luminous events(14:15) — Calibrated multi-sensor detection(15:50) — Hessdalen: measurable lights, unresolved causes(17:15) — UAPx at Catalina: when anomalies disappear(19:05) — UAP enters mainstream aerospace journals(20:15) — Palomar controversy: claim, critique and response(23:15) — Pilot stigma and missing data(24:40) — What real proof would require(27:15) — What academic UAP research actually reveals Sources: NASA — Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Independent Study Report (2023);University of Colorado — Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects / Condon Report (1968);Yingling, Yingling & Bell — Humanities and Social Sciences Communications (2023–2024);Medina, Brewer & Kirkpatrick — Scientific Reports (2023);Watters et al. — Journal of Astronomical Instrumentation / Galileo Project (2023);Dominé et al. — Sensors (2025);Vervelidou et al. — Geoscientific Instrumentation, Methods and Data Systems (2025);Szydagis et al. — Progress in Aerospace Sciences (2025);Bruehl & Villarroel — Scientific Reports (2025)lWatters et al. — Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia (2026);Wooffitt — Sociology (2026);NASA and atmospheric-science research on transient luminous events;Peer-reviewed research into the Hessdalen luminous phenomena. Keywords: UAP science, UFO science, academic UAP research, scientific study of UFOs, NASA UAP, Galileo Project, UAPx, Palomar UFO, Palomar transients, Hessdalen lights, atmospheric UAP, temperature inversion UFO, sprites, blue jets, light pillars, UFO research, peer reviewed UAP, UAP evidence, UAP data, extraterrestrial technology, non-human intelligence, UFO to UAP Explained, Matt Tones.

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  Episode #77

  UFOs in China: The Hidden History of Chinese UAP Sightings

  Sep 7, 202632 minS1

  China’s UFO history is far older, broader and more complicated than most Western accounts suggest. In Episode 77 of UFO to UAP Explained , Matt Tones investigates the hidden history of UFO sightings in China , from ancient astronomical records and Chinese newspaper coverage of the 1947 flying-saucer wave to the extraordinary UFO boom that followed the People’s Daily article “UFO — An Unresolved World Mystery” in November 1978. We trace the creation of China’s first major civilian UFO research organisation at Wuhan University, the nationwide 24 July 1981 luminous spiral sighting, the mysterious 1994 Guiyang “Flying Train” incident, and the 2010 unidentified object that temporarily shut down Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport. The story then moves inside modern Chinese air defence. This episode separates documented Chinese UFO history from speculation about extraterrestrial technology and asks why China may represent one of the biggest missing datasets in the global UAP mystery. Episode Timestamps: (0:00) — UFOs in China: the forgotten global story (2:05) — Ancient Chinese sky records: UFOs or astronomy? (4:05) — 1947: flying saucers reach China (5:50) — 1978: the People’s Daily article that changed everything (8:05) — China’s UFO boom and the Wuhan research movement (10:20) — 24 July 1981: the massive luminous spiral over China (15:30) — Science, belief and China’s UFO culture (17:15) — 1994: the mysterious Guiyang “Flying Train” incident (20:05 — Chinese scientists who continued investigating UFO reports (21:20) — 2010: the UFO that closed Hangzhou Xiaoshan Airport (23:35) — From UFO sightings to PLA air-defence surveillance (27:35) — Does China possess a secret UAP dataset? Sources: People’s Daily historical archive — UFO — An Unresolved “World Mystery” , 13 November 1978, page 6. The surviving archive confirms November 13 as the publication date; The Paper — Wuhan UFO Past — history of the China UFO Enthusiasts Liaison Office founded at Wuhan University on 20 September 1979, its transformation into the China UFO Research Association, and its early collection of hundreds of sighting reports; Liu Yan — “The UFO of July 24, 1981” — contemporary Chinese astronomical analysis translated by the U.S. Air Force Foreign Technology Division and retained in the U.S. Department of Defense archive; CCTV — Searching for the Airborne Strange Train — retrospective investigation of the November 1994 destruction near Guiyang that became one of China’s best-known UFO mysteries; China Daily / Xinhua — Hangzhou Xiaoshan Airport incident — contemporary reporting confirms that the airport closed for approximately an hour on 7 July 2010 after an unidentified aerial object was reported; later reporting attributed the event to an unauthorised private flight; South China Morning Post — Chinese military AI and UFO tracking , June 2021 — reporting on PLA researchers using AI to analyse what the military calls “unidentified air conditions.”; China Military Network / PLA Daily — documented examples of Chinese radar units investigating unidentified air situations that were subsequently identified as drones or bird formations; Chinese Ministry of National Defense — official description of PLAAF responsibilities including monitoring and verifying abnormal and unidentified air situations; Keywords: UFOs in China, Chinese UFO sightings, China UFO history, China UAP, Chinese UAP, UFO sightings China, China UFO files, Chinese UFO research, China UFO Research Association, Wuhan UFO research, 1981 China UFO, China spiral UFO, Guiyang UFO, Flying Train UFO China, Hangzhou UFO, Xiaoshan Airport UFO, China military UFO, PLA UFO, unidentified air conditions China, China UAP program, China UFO disclosure, Chinese military UAP, UFO history, UAP history, UFO to UAP Explained.

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  Episode #75

  International UAP Sightings: France's UFO Files - The Government Agency That Never Stopped Investigating UAP

  Sep 6, 202638 minS1

  Discover the fascinating world of France's UFO files and the persistent investigation efforts by the country's esteemed UAP agency, GEIPAN. In this episode, we delve into the history and operations of GEPAN, SEPRA, and their current form within France's national space agency, CNES. Uncover how France systematically collects, analyzes, and classifies unexplained aerospace phenomena, including the striking revelation that 106 cases remain unidentified. Explore two of France's most enigmatic UFO incidents — the Valensole and Trans-en-Provence cases — with accounts of landing traces, scientific analyses, and unresolved elements. Contrast these with the 2016 Conches-en-Ouche sighting, where radar data unraveled what initially appeared otherworldly. Gain a deeper understanding of the intricate differences between what is simply unidentified and what may truly be extraterrestrial. Episode Timestamps: (0:00) - Introduction to France's UFO Files (5:20) - History of GEPAN, SEPRA, GEIPAN (10:55) - International UAP Sightings Overview (17:30) - Valensole UFO Case Study (22:45) - Trans-en-Provence Analysis (29:10) - 2016 Conches-en-Ouche Incident (34:30) - Conclusion: Unidentified vs. Extraterrestrial. Sources: CNES / GEIPAN institutional history and case archive; GEIPAN Statistics; GEIPAN Valensole case file; GEIPAN Trans-en-Provence case file; GEIPAN Conches-en-Ouche case file. Keywords: France UFO files, French UFO sightings, GEIPAN, CNES UFO, France UAP, French UAP investigation, GEPAN, SEPRA, Valensole UFO, Trans-en-Provence UFO, Conches-en-Ouche UFO, French UFO cases, government UFO investigation, official UFO files, unidentified aerospace phenomena, UAP investigation, UFO evidence, UFO landing traces, UFO government records, international UAP sightings, UAP France, UFO to UAP Explained.

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