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Hosted by Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend · business · EN · 31 episodes
Being a sustainable business professional is both exhilarating and terrifying. Lots of steps forward…and back. To succeed you need deep insights, real experience, lots of inspiration, maybe a few laughs. Each episode, sustainable business veterans Solitaire Townsend and Joel Makower delve into the complexities of the moment and introduce you to provocative and inspiring people you need to know.
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Signup to Generate a PitchBeing a sustainable business professional is both exhilarating and terrifying. Lots of steps forward…and back. To succeed you need deep insights, real experience, lots of inspiration, maybe a few laughs. Each episode, sustainable business veterans Solitaire Townsend and Joel Makower delve into the complexities of the moment and introduce you to provocative and inspiring people you need to know.
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality is hosted by Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend. The show has published 31 episodes to date.
Recent episodes include "Prologis’s Susan Uthayakumar on Power, Data Centers, and Climate Risk" (19 October 2026, 52 minutes), "At Climate Week NY, the audience asks us anything" (28 September 2026, 73 minutes), and "A new political coalition may be forming, what sustainability professionals need to do" (6 September 2026, 47 minutes).
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality publishes roughly every two weeks, with episodes averaging 45 minutes across 31 episodes.
Booking probability for Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality is 31%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality requires a Pod Score of 80 or higher. Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality's contact route on record: verified email.
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Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Prologis operates more than 6,000 warehouses, data centers, and distribution centers worldwide. You may never have heard of it, but there’s a good chance your last online order passed through one. Susan Uthayakumar, its...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Recorded live at Solutions House during Climate Week NYC, this special episode turns the mic over to the audience. In an ask-us-anything session, Joel and Solitaire field questions from the crowd on AI, regeneration...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
What do data centers, energy shocks, extreme weather, Flock cameras and anti-oligarch anger have in common — and could they add up to something new? Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend dig into whether the public is...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Sustainability conferences are expensive, exhausting, and logistically brutal — so why does everyone keep going? Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend dig into the real business case for in-person events: not the keynotes...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Are sustainability professionals working at the wrong level inside a system that resists real change? Joel and Soli dig into that question this week — why external validation is the wrong thing to chase, what a "hero's...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Climate scientist Dr. Katharine Hayhoe — Nature Conservancy chief scientist, Texas Tech professor and author of "Saving Us" — joins Joel and Solitaire to explain why hope beats doom as a climate strategy, why more...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
What can climate communicators learn from stand-up comedians? Quite a lot, it turns out. Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend sit down with Stuart Goldsmith — climate comedian, podcaster, and Live at the Apollo veteran —...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Soli and Joel ask an uncomfortable question:sustainability professionals are trained to track trends and build momentum —but are we actually prepared for wild cards? We went through some big ones: a 90% probability El...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Joel and Soli dig into the new State of the Sustainability Profession report, which reveals a field under pressure — shrinking CEO engagement, shifting reporting lines, and budgets in flux. Then, author and activist...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
The word "resilience" is everywhere right now. Which probably means it's already in trouble. In our latest Two Steps Forward episode, Soli and Joel and pulled on this thread — and found something worth sharing...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
We spoke with Linda Freiner, Group Chief Sustainability Officer at Zurich Insurance Group, on the role of insurance in a world of increasing risk. What became clear is that insurance isn’t peripheral to sustainability...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
What does it take to start a career in sustainability today — when the field is more established, but the expectations are higher than ever? In this episode, we speak with three early-career professionals about breaking...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
Recorded live at the GreenBiz 26 conference in February, this episode of Two Steps Forward features Dylan Siegler, head of sustainability at Universal Music Group. Siegler discusses how the music industry’s greatest...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
For much of the past decade, corporate sustainability has been absorbed into the machinery of management — metrics, disclosures, target-setting and compliance. Necessary work, certainly. But something essential has been...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
For all the noise surrounding climate — the backlash, the culture wars, the political theatrics — here’s an uncomfortable truth: most Americans haven’t changed their minds at all. That’s the quiet bombshell from our...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
In this episode, we talked about Solitaire's remarkable new novel — but the most useful part of the conversation wasn’t about the book’s alternative Roman Empire or its sword-wielding heroine. It was about what writing...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
In the first episode of our Two Steps Forward podcast for 2026, we reflect on the evolution of sustainability journalism. The occasion: Marking 25 years of covering sustainable business on Trellis.net (née...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
What does it mean to be a corporate sustainability thought leader these days? In this episode Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend delve into that question, confronting a paradox at the heart of corporate sustainability...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
The sustainability landscape is littered with bold claims, ambitious targets and a widening gap between rhetoric and reality. Against that backdrop, Siemens AG presents a case worth examining — not because it declares...
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
What's going on at COP30? You wouldn't know much by reading the mainstream media, other than the relatively mild protests and the usual infrastructure problems nearly all COPs face. But what should companies know about...
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