The Spillover

How do critical international developments shape economic and financial markets worldwide? Each week, The Spillover traces the ripple effects of global events, exploring the intersection of policy, geopolitics, economics, technology, and finance. This podcast helps you better understand what’s happening, and why it matters to businesses, the markets, and the world.

The Spillover is a news podcast hosted by Council on Foreign Relations, with 33 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Council on Foreign Relations hosts The Spillover, a news show with 33 episodes published.

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  Can the U.S. ‘Grow’ Its Way Out of Debt? + Taxing Wealth in the Age of AI

  Sep 10, 202653 min

  This week, host Rebecca Patterson speaks with Natasha Sarin, law professor and cofounder of the Yale Budget Lab, to unpack Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s claim that the United States can grow its way out of record debt, and whether AI can deliver the growth, jobs, and tax revenue needed to make that happen. Host: Rebecca Patterson , Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Guest: Natasha Sarin , Professor of Law and Cofounder, The Yale Budget Lab Mentioned on the Episode: Natasha Sarin, “ No Wonder Everyone’s Rallying Around This Terrible Idea ,” New York Times “ Scott Bessent Says US Can ‘Grow Our Way Out’ of $40 Trillion Debt—Economist Says ‘Not Feasible’ ,” TradingView “ The Budget and Economic Outlook: 2026 to 2036 ,” Congressional Budget Office Rebecca Patterson, “ What the Treasury’s Buyback Surprise Says About the Bond Market ,” CFR.org Want to keep up with The Spillover? Sign up to receive an email alert when new episodes are released. The Spillover is a production of the Council on Foreign Relations. The opinions expressed on the show are solely those of the hosts and guests, not of the Council, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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  The U.S. Buys Stake in a Venezuelan Oil Company + Why Efficiency Is the Real Path to Energy Security

  Sep 1, 202649 min

  This week, host Rebecca Patterson sits down with energy and climate expert Vijay Vaitheeswaran to discuss the U.S. government's acquisition of 35 percent equity stake in a Venezuelan oil company and how managing demand and boosting efficiency are critical for long-term energy security and climate progress. Host: Rebecca Patterson , Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Guest: Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran , Philip D. Reed Senior Fellow and Director of the Energy Security and Climate Change Program, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Mentioned on the Episode: Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran, “ Why Nuclear Energy Is Making a Global Comeback ,” CFR.org Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran, “ Crude Calculations: Why the Iran War Hasn’t Yet Caused an Oil Shock ,” CFR.org Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran, “ Geothermal’s Time Has Finally Come ,” The Economist Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran, “ Americans’ Electricity Bills Are Up. Don’t Blame AI ,” The Economist Want to keep up with The Spillover? Sign up to receive an email alert when new episodes are released. The Spillover is a production of the Council on Foreign Relations. The opinions expressed on the show are solely those of the hosts and guests, not of the Council, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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  Could the AI Debt Problem Create the Next Financial Crisis?

  Aug 26, 20261h 5m

  The financing behind the AI boom has grown so large that treasury bond yields are approaching levels not seen since the leadup to the 2008 financial crisis. But is the risk to the financial market overblown? This week, Rebecca Patterson and Sebastian Mallaby are joined by Torsten Slok, chief economist at Apollo, to discuss the threat AI debt poses to the U.S. bond market. Hosts: Sebastian Mallaby , Paul A. Volcker Senior Fellow for International Economics, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Rebecca Patterson , Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Guest: Torsten Slok , Partner and Chief Economist at Apollo Mentioned on the Episode: Torsten Slok, “ A Slower AI Payoff Would Be Everyone's Problem ,” Apollo Torsten Slok, “ Monitoring the AI Trade: How Growing Debt Issuance Is Reshaping the Landscape ,” Apollo Want to keep up with The Spillover? Sign up to receive an email alert when new episodes are released. The Spillover is a production of the Council on Foreign Relations. The opinions expressed on the show are solely those of the hosts and guests, not of the Council, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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  The Hosts Pick a Global AI Winner + The Advanced Economy Deployment Problem + The Question Even the Experts Can't Answer

  Aug 18, 202645 min

  Artificial intelligence has become the biggest variable in the U.S. economy, but is the country really positioned to win the global race for economic dominance in AI? This week, Rebecca Patterson and Sebastian Mallaby draw on Patterson's new chapter for the book Geopolitics of AI to guess at an eventual winner. The pair weighs the inputs of talent, capital, energy, and public support, and question popular assumptions about inevitable American success. Hosts: Sebastian Mallaby , Paul A. Volcker Senior Fellow for International Economics, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Rebecca Patterson , Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Mentioned on the Episode: Geopolitics of AI , Johns Hopkins University Press Want to keep up with The Spillover? Sign up to receive an email alert when new episodes are released. The Spillover is a production of the Council on Foreign Relations. The opinions expressed on the show are solely those of the hosts and guests, not of the Council, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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  How China Is Quietly Winning the Iran War Energy Crisis

  Aug 12, 202648 min

  Five months of war in Iran have completely reshaped energy markets. This week, the Baker Institute’s Kristian Coates Ulrichsen joins Rebecca Patterson and Sebastian Mallaby to examine how conflict in the Strait of Hormuz exposed the fragility of the world's maritime chokepoints, and revealed China as the quiet winner of the crisis. Hosts: Sebastian Mallaby , Paul A. Volcker Senior Fellow for International Economics, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Rebecca Patterson , Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Guest: Kristian Coates Ulrichsen , Fellow for the Middle East and codirector of the Middle East Energy Roundtable, Baker Institute Mentioned on the Episode: Kristian Coates Ulrichsen and Jim Krane, “ Maritime Chokepoints and Risks to Global Shipping and Energy Security ,” Baker Institute “ China ‘Blockade Simulation’ Exposes $5 Trillion Global Danger ,” Bloomberg “ Crossroads of Commerce: How the Taiwan Strait Propels the Global Economy ,” CSIS Spencer Kimball, “ Oil in US Strategic Petroleum Reserve Falls Below 300 Million Barrels, Lowest Since 1983 ,” MSN “ China Is Now the World’s Great Oil Power ,” The Economist “ The Middle East and Global Energy Markets ,” IEA Want to keep up with The Spillover? Sign up to receive an email alert when new episodes are released. The Spillover is a production of the Council on Foreign Relations. The opinions expressed on the show are solely those of the hosts and guests, not of the Council, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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