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It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand
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Booking probability
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Signup to Generate a PitchIt started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan.
Recent episodes include "Retrospective 5: Kelly and The Pandemic" (23 September 2026, 56 minutes), "Retrospective 4: Voices" (24 August 2026, 49 minutes), and "Retrospective 4: Voices" (24 August 2026, 49 minutes).
The Pact publishes roughly monthly, with episodes averaging 42 minutes across 35 episodes.
Booking probability for The Pact is 29%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. The Pact requires a Pod Score of 80 or higher. The Pact's contact route on record: public web form.
The Pact is a true crime podcast with 35 episodes published.
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Episode #5
In Retrospective 5, Josh discusses how a family loss created massive life changes during the creation of TCB season 2. And how the pandemic and Kelly Cochran led to some massive podcast changes, gambles, and fears. 10th...
Episode #4
In Retrospective 4, Josh discusses how massive life changes coalesced with the creation of the first season of TCB. How he isolated himself entirely to both heal and get into the head-spaces of the people he'd spent so...
Episode #4
In Retrospective 4, Josh discusses how massive life changes coalesced with the creation of the first season of TCB. How he isolated himself entirely to both heal and get into the head-spaces of the people he'd spent so...
Episode #3
In Retrospective 3, Josh discusses how 24 harrowing hours changed his life and the course of True Crime Bullsh**. He discusses how an incident re-shaped his vision for the first episode of the podcast, and his view on...
Episode #3
In Retrospective 3, Josh discusses how 24 harrowing hours changed his life and the course of True Crime Bullsh**. He discusses how an incident re-shaped his vision for the first episode of the podcast, and his view on...
Episode #2
Retrospective 2 takes us to the origin of the investigation; where Josh's interest in storytelling evolved into his obsession of needing to know everything. And it started in a surprising place: a bound book of...
Episode #2
Retrospective 2 takes us to the origin of the investigation; where Josh's interest in storytelling evolved into his obsession of needing to know everything. And it started in a surprising place: a bound book of...
Episode #1
To celebrate 10 years in podcasting, we're spending the summer going back in time and both highlighting key episodes and telling the stories behind them; you’ll get new behind-the-scenes information about what was...
Episode #7
Season finale. <br /><br />This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark <br /><br />Featuring: <br />Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences <br />Albert...
To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM...
Episode #5
At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and...
Episode #4
Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing. <br /><br />This episode...
Episode #3
Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay...
Episode #2
Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very...
Episode #1
On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their...
Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond).<br /><br />This month's news:<br />• New tours and events <br />• Unsafe Spaces update <br />• The Karen & Ellen Letters update <br />• True...
Unsafe Spaces is an investigative, serialized true crime podcast that explores the crimes that take place in the places we’re supposed to feel safest. <br /><br />In Season One: Tampa’s Missing Men, I explore how two...
The Pact
Josh is heading out on the road. Catch him at:<br /><br />The True Crime & Paranormal Festival in Austin, Texas (8/26-8/27)<br />www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com<br /><br />A casual Happy Hour in Tampa, Florida...
Episode #18
The finale. <br /><br />Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. <br />Research assistance by Becca Cline. <br /><br />Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, Whithe, and Stacxk.
If you enjoyed The Pact, check out host Josh Hallmark's other investigative deep dive into serial killer Israel Keyes: True Crime Bullsh**<br /><br />www.bothand.fyi<br />www.truecrimebullshit.com<br...
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