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The Next Token is a technical, conversational podcast from Sunil Pai, Dillon Mulroy, and Rhys Sullivan about the ideas, tools, and weird edges shaping software right now. Expect candid conversations about AI, developer experience, building on the web, open source, infrastructure, and the work behind the work: what they are trying, what is breaking, what is actually useful, and what deserves a second look. Cloudflare sponsors the show, but the conversations are host-led, curious, and independent in spirit.
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Contact path
Public web form
Booking probability
36%
Guest openness
Selective
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Signup to Generate a PitchThe Next Token is a technical, conversational podcast from Sunil Pai, Dillon Mulroy, and Rhys Sullivan about the ideas, tools, and weird edges shaping software right now.
Recent episodes include ""What's after Code Mode" - Ep 07" (19 October 2026, 85 minutes), ""The Senior Engineer Death Spiral" - Ep 06" (28 September 2026, 77 minutes), and ""I'm the Arbiter of Tokens and GPUs" - Ep 05" (31 August 2026, 57 minutes).
The Next Token publishes roughly every two weeks, with episodes averaging 67 minutes across 8 episodes.
Booking probability for The Next Token is 36%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. The Next Token requires a Pod Score of 80 or higher. The Next Token's contact route on record: public web form.
The strongest fits for The Next Token are IT Services & Software Development and Cloud, Data & Web Hosting. The Next Token has a technology audience and around 2,400 subscribers on YouTube.
The Next Token is a technology podcast with 8 episodes published.
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Episode #8
Recorded October 12, 2026. Matt Carey from Cloudflare joins Dillon, Rhys, and Sunil as Code Mode turns one year old. We discuss where it came from, how it actually works, and what comes after it. Rhys explains Claude...
Recorded September 21, 2026. Sunil and Rhys join the Jevolution. Sunil explains the Senior Engineer Death Spiral, the blog post that blew up his DMs (and annoyed capital-E Engineers on Hacker News). Rhys looks back on...
Recorded August 24, 2026. Special guest Michelle Chen answers our questions about inference. The AI industry lights money on fire. Sunil plans his LLM prepper era. Rhys takes the week off, preparing for YC Demo Day...
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Recorded August 7, 2026. We explore AI alignment & safety, Rhys demos his workflow, and we end up mentioning a lot of books. LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER AI ALIGNMENT Wikipedia, AI alignment...
Recorded August 3, 2026. We discuss burnout, Claudeisms sneaking into regular speech, chip butties, how to watch movies, and what brings us joy. LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER A VESSEL FOR CLAUDE Rhys "vessel...
Recorded July 17, 2026. We settle the model-access bet. We talk about how the labs talk to us, plus extend an open invite for OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, and Thinking Machines to come on the show and be specific about...
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Recorded June 30, 2026, 2pm Pacific. Live from AI Engineer World's Fair! Fable is still banned (as of recording time, ahem). Advice: Build for agents. We're still talking about loops, but which loops? And more receipts...
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Recorded June 15, 2026. Dillon, Rhys, and Sunil discuss the Fable/Mythos situation and require receipts for bold claims about how AI is changing everything. Follow Dillon Mulroy - @dillon_mulroy / dillonis.online /...
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Principal Systems Engineer, Cloudflare
Chief of Staff, S&C’s Financial Services Group
Thinking Machines
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