The Newfangled Lawyer

The Newfangled Lawyer Podcast offers a fresh perspective of lawyers. Through candid conversations and storytelling, we aim to humanize the lawyer experience. By doing so, we want to provide opportunities for our listeners to get to know lawyers in a unique way. In our episodes, we feature lawyers discussing their passions, sharing unique stories, and offering insights into their lives outside of the law. We challenge preconceived notions and emphasize the multifaceted nature of lawyers. We hope to inspire our listeners to embrace their own humanity and stories.

The Newfangled Lawyer is a business podcast hosted by Patrick Patino, with 62 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

Patrick Patino hosts The Newfangled Lawyer, a business show with 62 episodes published.

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  Episode #79

  Episode 79: Demystifying Neurodivergence with Sarah Ennor

  Sep 17, 202653 minS4

  In this episode, Patrick Patino talks with Sarah Ennor about ADHD in the legal profession. Ennor shares what happened after her adult ADHD diagnosis and how traditional corporate law environments tend to punish unique work styles, holding people to rigid expectations and narrow ideas of what "professional" looks like. They talk about why the legal field draws in so many neurodivergent people in the first place: it's intense, constantly changing, and full of hard problems to solve. At the same time, they push back on industry norms that reward administrative conformity over actual skill and output. Patino and Ennor also get into practical strategies for neurodivergent lawyers, like outcome-based advocacy, body doubling, and flat-fee billing. Ennor points to data showing that inclusive, accessible workplaces see up to 28% higher revenue and 30% higher profit margins when they focus on results instead of rigid process. The episode lands on a vision for what a "Newfangled Lawyer" looks like: someone who embraces authenticity, leans into neurodivergent strengths, and simplifies overcomplicated systems to make things better for both lawyers and clients. About Sarah Sarah Ennor is a speaker who makes ADHD human and profitable by sharing her unfolding story. She is a biracial entrepreneur, insomniac, lawyer, international athlete, creative, and woman with ADHD. Sarah helps firms get better performance, stronger leadership, and real commercial results by supporting the neurodivergent talent they already have. Her speaking, consulting, and 1:1 coaching help firms and individuals tap into the ADHD advantage!Sarah was called to the bar in 2007. She has lawyered at small and large firms, in-house, and as a sole practitioner. She became an entrepreneur in 2017. ⁠ Website and Socials: Web: www.growthcounsel.ca LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-ennor/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sarah.ennor.79/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SarahJEnnor London Speaker Bureau: https://londonspeakerbureau.com/speaker-profile/sarah-j-ennor/ Talk About Speakers: https://talkaboutspeakers.com/speaker/sarah-ennor/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Sponsor: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andy Gregory Law, PLLC

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  Episode #78

  Episode 78: Compassionate Law with Vivek Sankaran & Bridgette Carr

  Sep 10, 202655 minS4

  Vivek and Bridgette embody all the goodness and kindness that can come from friendship and community. Warm, engaging, and real, they discuss their friendship, the communities they've cultivated, and the future of the legal profession. About Vivek and Bridgette Vivek Sankaran is a clinical professor of law at the University of Michigan Law School, where he champions the rights of children and parents involved in child welfare proceedings. His work centers on transforming the child welfare system by empowering families, advancing justice through thoughtful legal reform, and building more compassionate legal institutions.Sankaran directs the Child Welfare Appellate Clinic, where students represent clients in trial and appellate proceedings. He also is the co-director of Michigan Law’s AI Law and Policy Clinic, which equips students to tackle critical justice challenges at the intersection of emerging technology, law, and ethics.Nationally recognized for both his teaching and advocacy, Sankaran is the recipient of the John W. Reed Michigan Lawyer Legacy Award from the State Bar of Michigan and Michigan Law’s Teaching Award for Support of Student Community and Well-Being. His writing—widely published—calls for deeper reflection on the values underlying legal systems, and his appellate litigation has helped shape Michigan law on the rights of families.Beyond the courtroom and classroom, Sankaran is leading a national movement to bring compassion into legal practice. After completing the Applied Compassion Training at Stanford University, he now designs and facilitates compassion retreats across the country for the legal community, including judges, lawyers, and law students.Bridgette Carr is a clinical professor of law at the University of Michigan Law School, where she co-directs the AI Law and Policy Clinic and co-teaches Designing a Fulfilling Life in the Law (DFL), a course that helps law students build the skills to create meaningful, sustainable careers. She is also a faculty affiliate at the Center for Positive Organizations at U-M’s Ross School of Business.A commitment to making the law work for people in their full humanity runs through all of Carr’s work: her ongoing representation of trafficking survivors, her focus on how AI can expand access to justice, and her efforts to help lawyers and judges sustain themselves in demanding, high-stakes practice.Today, Carr brings that same human-centered perspective to her work in AI and legal technology. As co-director of the AI Law and Policy Clinic, she and her colleague Vivek Sankaran, ’01, guide law students in exploring how artificial intelligence can improve legal practice and expand access to justice, not simply by increasing efficiency, but by creating opportunities to reach the people that current legal systems have been unable to serve.Carr is equally committed to the well-being of legal professionals doing difficult, high-stakes work. Together with Sankaran, she created Designing a Fulfilling Life in the Law, a course that applies design thinking principles to help students reflect on what they want from their careers and lives and build a framework for getting there. Carr, Sankaran, and colleague Rick Barinbaum also co-led Michigan’s first Judicial Compassion Retreat, a two-day gathering where judges stepped away from their courtrooms to share the emotional weight of their work and explore how to sustain themselves in it.She has appeared as an expert on the Today Show, MSNBC, and National Public Radio, and has been quoted in the New York Times and many other news outlets. In 2014, she received the Champion of Justice award from the State Bar of Michigan. Website and Socials: https://compassionatelawproject.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Sponsor: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andy Gregory Law, PLLC

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  Episode #77

  Episode 77: HeyCounsel with Brian Scherer

  Aug 13, 202652 minS4

  In this episode of The Newfangled Lawyer , host Patrick Patino and guest Brian Scherer explore the intersection of managing a high-stakes law firm and the unpredictability of daily life. Brian shares the candid reality of balancing a growing firm with personal responsibilities, including a newborn at home and the challenges of team management. Together, they discuss the "nonattachment" required to handle professional chaos, advocating for a human-centric approach defined by trust, grace, and the ability to roll with the punches. Challenging the traditional, always-on legal archetype, they redefine what it means to be a truly "newfangled" lawyer—one who knows that sometimes the most important professional move is showing up for your life. About Brian Founder of HeyCounsel, bringing the power of numbers to boutique and solo lawyers. We say "big firm power for smalls and solos"... and we mean it. https://www.heycounsel.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianscherer1/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Sponsor: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andy Gregory Law, PLLC

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  The Newfangled Lawyer

  Minisode: Community with Andy Gregory

  Aug 6, 202624 minS4

  We dive deep into the realities of launching a solo practice, focusing on: The Power of Community: How Andy and his peers turned forced networking into a vibrant, informal monthly meetup that balances shop talk with genuine friendship. Entrepreneurial Lawyering: Why the "best days" in his practice have nothing to do with billable hours and everything to do with curiosity, human connection, and having zero ego. Hunting vs. Farming: How he approaches business development—balancing visibility with authentic relationship-building. The Listening Approach: Why success in estate planning isn't about selling documents; it’s about reading people, building trust, and acting as a dedicated human advisor rather than a transaction-focused service provider. Join us for a conversation on de-optimizing the grind and rediscovering the "old school" value of being the family lawyer who actually cares about the family. About Andy Andy has been passionate about the law for many years. During an extended career with the federal government, he began pursuing his dream of becoming a practicing attorney. Andy graduated cum laude from Mitchell Hamline School of Law in Saint Paul, Minnesota, and served as an Associate on the Mitchell Hamline Law Review. He earned his bachelor's degree in business finance from Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. Andy’s practice consists primarily of Estate Planning, Estate Administration, Wills and Trusts, and Conservatorships/Guardianships. In his estate planning, he works with individuals, couples, and families to develop comprehensive and efficient estate plans through wills, trusts, incapacity instruments, and other related documents. Andy also works with those suffering from the loss of a loved one to smoothly and cost-effectively navigate the administration of an estate through the probate system or by providing counsel to trustees. Additionally, his experience provides him with insights into the financial decisions, social work, and life care plans associated with guardianships and conservatorships. This background informs his personalized service and compassionate approach to family legal matters. Andy is professional yet approachable and is full of positive energy when it comes to helping his clients. A dedicated member of the legal community, Andy serves as a Governing Council Member of the Minnesota State Bar Association Probate & Trust Law Section. He is a recognized "North Star Lawyer," having donated over 50 hours of pro bono service annually to programs such as the Minnesota State Bar Association Wills for Heroes Program and the Probate Advice Clinic. Licensed in Minnesota and North Carolina, Andy lives in Minneapolis with his wife, Jessica, and their three cats. Outside the office, he enjoys running and bike rides. ⁠https://www.andygregorylaw.com/

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  Episode #76

  Episode 76: Into the Wild with Heather Cantua

  Jul 30, 20261h 6mS4

  In this episode of The Newfangled Lawyer, host Patrick Patino and guest Heather Cantua of Scale LLP explore the intersection of high-tech legal practice and nature-aligned living. Heather shares her journey from a fast-paced career in San Francisco to finding balance and a new perspective on professional practice in the temperate rainforests of Washington’s Olympic Peninsula. Together, they discuss the "juxtaposition" of maintaining a modern, distributed legal practice while deeply valuing analog traditions, such as salmon habitat restoration and manual labor. Challenging the traditional, aggressive legal archetype, they advocate for a human-centric approach defined by curiosity, trust, and adaptability, redefining what it means to be a truly "newfangled" lawyer. About Heather I'm a first generation college student who stumbled into law school and feel like I've been creating my own path since. I started at a big law firm in San Francisco, went in-house to a large publicly traded company, then a small one, and now practice at a fully remote law firm. During the pandemic I moved to the rainforests of the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state. https://www.linkedin.com/in/heather-cantua-31a39b30/ https://scalefirm.com/team-members/heather-cantua/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Sponsor: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andy Gregory Law, PLLC

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