Marketers of Technology

Conversations with the marketers building the narratives, brands, and categories that shape technology adoption.

Marketers of Technology is a business podcast hosted by The Front Lines, with 226 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

The Front Lines hosts Marketers of Technology, a business show with 226 episodes published.

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  The Day He Found 130 Agents He Didn't Know About | Dave Anderson

  Oct 2, 202627 min

  In this episode of Marketers of Technology, Andres talks with Dave Anderson , Chief Marketing Officer at PointFive , the AI efficiency platform that finds deep cloud and AI waste and remediates it autonomously — so engineering teams can ship instead of optimize. A two-decades-plus veteran of observability and analytics, including a long run at Dynatrace through its IPO, Dave explains how "tokenomics" became marketing's newest budget line, why his five-person team runs entirely on Claude Code and GitHub pull requests, and how he rebuilt PointFive's website from scratch in under three days. Dave also makes the case against the "one-person marketing org" hype, explains why AI is dangerously good at telling you your bad ideas are brilliant, and shares the moment he discovered he was quietly running 130 agents instead of the ten he thought he had. Topics Discussed: Dave's path from two decades in observability, including years at Dynatrace through its IPO, and experience analytics at Content Square, to becoming CMO at PointFive What PointFive does: detecting deep cloud waste and remediating it autonomously so engineering teams can focus on shipping Why AI spend, or "tokenomics," has become the fastest-growing cost line item, and how it echoes the unmanaged cloud spending PointFive was built to fix Running an "AI-native" marketing team that ships through Claude Code and GitHub pull requests instead of traditional workflows Rebuilding PointFive's entire website in two to three days using Claude Code, versus the six-week agency cycle it replaced The size and structure of a five-person marketing team, and why Dave believes true one-person marketing orgs are still more myth than reality The moment Dave realized he was running 130 agents when he thought he had ten — and had to build an org chart just to track them Why AI's tendency to validate every idea ("gaslighting," in Dave's words) makes human taste and judgment more valuable, not less The counterintuitive cost trap of "token compression," which can raise AI spend rather than lower it How dependent his team has become on always-on AI tools, and what a recent Claude outage revealed about that dependency GTM & Technology Adoption Lessons: AI spend is the new unmanaged cloud spend. Dave sees "tokenomics" repeating the same pattern he spent years fixing in cloud infrastructure: fast adoption, no one accountable for the bill, and someone eventually has to add visibility. Live in the shoes of the audience you market to. Marketing to engineers who "hate marketing with an absolute vengeance," in Dave's words, only worked once his team started coding and shipping the way its own audience does. Headcount planning changes when the team is AI-native. PointFive expected to need ten marketing hires; running on Claude Code cut that estimate in half and reduced agency spend to a fraction of what was budgeted. Don't mistake more tools for more taste. Dave's guitar analogy: handing everyone an instrument doesn't mean they can play a song, let alone judge whether it's a good one — the same gap applies to AI-assisted marketing. Watch for silent AI sprawl. Dave didn't realize his agents had started recruiting sub-agents of their own until the count reached 130 — a reminder to track what autonomous tools are actually doing, not just what you asked them to do. Compression isn't always efficiency. A tactic marketed as cutting token costs by 38% can backfire, forcing the model to work harder to reconstruct missing context and raising spend instead of lowering it. New AI instances start with zero institutional memory. Carrying context forward between tools or sessions is now a real workflow cost, not a one-time setup step. // Sponsors: Front Lines — Silicon Valley's leading Podcast Production Studio. We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. Mention you are a listener and get a 10% discount. www.FrontLines.io/Podcast-as-a-Service

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  Marketing an invisible product to the biggest banks in the world | Katie Perry

  Oct 2, 202624 min

  zerohash is the leading infrastructure provider for crypto, stablecoin, and tokenized assets, giving predominantly non-crypto companies a regulated, secure way to offer digital asset products. In a recent episode of Marketers of Technology, we sat down with Katie Perry , Chief Marketing Officer at zerohash and author of Ticker Shock, to learn how you market a product built to be invisible to the people it ultimately serves. Topics Discussed: How a career that started in journalism and agency marketing led Katie into crypto and digital assets What Ticker Shock argues about how the GameStop era permanently changed investor relations Why zerohash spent almost a decade building regulatory trust with the largest financial institutions in the world Why marketing an invisible B2B infrastructure product is a different challenge than consumer or even typical B2B marketing How zerohash uses tightly segmented LinkedIn advertising across very different buyer types Why zerohash is investing in LLM discovery alongside traditional SEO Why in-person events, dinners, and a traveling sales team still drive trust that digital channels cannot replicate Why listening, not pitching, is the first step in Katie's approach to marketing and sales GTM & Technology Adoption Lessons: Market the invisible layer, not yourself: Katie said if zerohash does its job right, the end customer of a partner like E*TRADE or Visa never knows zerohash exists. Her job is to make zerohash visible and trusted inside the consideration process of the companies buying the infrastructure, without any of the usual flash of consumer marketing. Win institutional trust brick by brick, not with hype: zerohash's founders bet in 2017 that proving crypto technology could be trustworthy inside the largest, most complex financial institutions was a better company to build than chasing easier crypto projects. Katie said that meant years of accumulating regulatory licenses and infrastructure trust signals like uptime and security, work that eventually led to partnerships with Visa and Morgan Stanley E*TRADE. Lead with the customer's problem, not your own feature list: Katie said benefits-led, customer-centric marketing matters even more for an infrastructure company, because a LinkedIn ad that just says "we're great because of these things" does not work. The job is to shorten the distance between what zerohash built and whatever is keeping a customer up at night or something their board is asking about. Treat LLM discovery as a new layer above search: Katie said zerohash now measures and improves its footprint against specific prompts in LLMs, alongside traditional Google SEO, because buyers are increasingly asking LLMs for solutions and recommendations before they ever search. Build trust in person when the product is complex and invisible: Katie said there is no substitute for face to face contact for a nuanced, trust-dependent product like this. zerohash hosts and attends events, runs dinners and happy hours, and keeps a sales team on the road constantly, because that kind of trust cannot be replicated through digital channels alone. Start every conversation by listening, not pitching: Katie said the best marketing or sales motion starts with shutting up and listening, since most people cannot name the specific product they need, only the problem they have. zerohash recently ran a large survey with Avalanche of hundreds of institutional operators specifically to surface their actual concerns about crypto adoption, rather than assume the team already knew them. // Sponsors: Front Lines — Silicon Valley's leading Podcast Production Studio. We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. Mention you are a listener and get a 10% discount. www.FrontLines.io/Podcast-as-a-Service

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  The two person marketing team with the output of six | Sebastian Lauk

  Oct 1, 202622 min

  Emporix builds software that reads, understands, and processes B2B orders that used to require someone manually retyping emails, PDFs, and even handwritten lists into a system. In a recent episode of Marketers of Technology, we sat down with Sebastian Lauk , Head of Marketing at Emporix , to learn how a two-person marketing team is producing the output of five or six people, and why he thinks that gap is where marketing teams are headed. Topics Discussed: How Emporix automates B2B order processing, with one customer running about 2,000 orders a month through it at 99 percent straight-through processing Why Emporix limits its go-to-market focus to DACH, Benelux, and soon the Nordics and UK, despite having no technical limitation on where it could sell Why Sebastian believes future marketing teams will be smaller, with wider generalist profiles instead of narrow specialists How a two-person marketing team produces work that looks like a team of five or six Why Emporix scrapped its yearly editorial calendar for a more reactive, agile content approach What "going prompt first" means for Emporix's next website relaunch GTM & Technology Adoption Lessons: Sell the back office, not just the storefront: Sebastian said most B2B vendors focus on building a nicer ordering website, but Emporix instead built software that reads and processes the orders themselves, functioning as, in his words, "the person in the back office who never sleeps and never makes a typo." Limit your GTM footprint on purpose, not by technical necessity: Emporix could technically sell anywhere, but Sebastian said the company deliberately focuses its go-to-market motion on DACH and Benelux, expanding next into the Nordics and UK, rather than spreading a two-person marketing team across every region it could technically serve. Expect narrow specialists to matter less than people who understand the whole system: Sebastian predicts T-shaped, deep-specialist marketing profiles will fade as AI takes over narrow analytical tasks like parsing Google Analytics or LinkedIn data. He said the profiles that will dominate are the ones who understand the overall context well enough to direct AI and connect the dots across channels. Treat a rigid annual content calendar as a liability, not a plan: Sebastian said Emporix started the year with a full editorial plan aligned to the product roadmap, then abandoned it once it became clear the market was moving faster than the plan could track. The team now builds content reactively around what is actually happening in the market. Match your channel mix to what actually drives registrations: Even with active LinkedIn organic and paid content, Sebastian said email remains the main driver of webinar registrations at Emporix. The team learned the hard way that promoting two webinars a month was unsustainable for two people, primarily because of the promotion workload rather than production itself. Watch token consumption as a budgeting problem, not just a technical one: Sebastian pointed out that leading AI labs are not yet profitable, meaning today's usage costs may not hold. He treats unpredictable token spend as an underappreciated risk that marketing and finance leaders will need to budget around as AI reliance grows. // Sponsors: Front Lines — Silicon Valley's leading Podcast Production Studio. We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. Mention you are a listener and get a 10% discount. www.FrontLines.io/Podcast-as-a-Service

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  Selling digital transformation in Lego bricks instead of one big project | James Crossland

  Oct 1, 202623 min

  FormusPro is a leading UK Microsoft solutions partner helping organizations connect the systems, data, and people behind their work, built around Dynamics 365, the Power Platform, and Microsoft's data and AI stack. In a recent episode of Marketers of Technology, we sat down with James Crossland , Head of Marketing at FormusPro , to learn why he treats sales and marketing as one job, and why he wants FormusPro's customers to eventually need FormusPro less. Topics Discussed: How an unplanned promotion at a Christmas party turned a career salesperson into a marketer Why James treats sales and marketing as the same function and distrusts vanity metrics What FormusPro actually does as a Microsoft partner built on Dynamics 365 and the Power Platform Why FormusPro delivers transformation projects in small, reinvestable pieces instead of one large rollout Why James treats staff adoption as a "hearts and minds" problem, not just an implementation problem Why FormusPro's marketing gives expertise away for free and puts consultants' names on it Why FormusPro deliberately teaches clients to use tools like Copilot Studio to need it less over time Why James started optimizing for generative engines within months of ChatGPT's launch, and how he gets LLMs to describe FormusPro the way he wants GTM & Technology Adoption Lessons: Measure marketing in revenue, not vanity metrics: James, who came from a sales background, said he judges marketing activity by whether it moved the bottom line: did it convert into a lead, did that lead turn into money, did that money turn into repeatable revenue. He treats sales and marketing as a single function rather than two departments that blame each other. Sell transformation in small, reinvestable pieces: James said Microsoft's technology works "almost as Lego," letting FormusPro implement a small piece of a project first, generate fast ROI, and reinvest those savings into the next phase, instead of asking a client to fund a multi-million-pound, three-year rollout upfront. Treat adoption as a hearts and minds problem, not just an implementation problem: James said most digital transformations fail because staff were never brought along, so FormusPro budgets time to upskill and train the people who will actually use a new system, so a CFO's investment doesn't end with someone quietly reverting to their old spreadsheet. Give the expertise away for free, and put consultants' names on it: James described FormusPro's marketing as thought-leadership-first, spotlighting individual consultants and helping them build their own LinkedIn presence, because most prospects only know they have a problem, not which product solves it. Empower customers to eventually need you less: James said FormusPro deliberately teaches clients to use tools like Copilot Studio to build and improve their own solutions over time, because a customer relationship built on genuine empowerment, not lock-in, is the one that lasts and gets referred to others. Optimize for what LLMs already say about you: James said FormusPro started its generative engine optimization strategy in January 2023, within months of ChatGPT's release, and his concrete tactic is making sure the exact phrase he uses on his own LinkedIn profile, describing FormusPro as one of the UK's leading Microsoft partners, gets echoed back when an LLM answers a question about the company, since these models learn from what other sources already say. // Sponsors: Front Lines — Silicon Valley's leading Podcast Production Studio. We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. Mention you are a listener and get a 10% discount. www.FrontLines.io/Podcast-as-a-Service

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  How AI ended the marketing versus sales fight over lead quality | Dan Roche

  Sep 30, 202621 min

  Workbooks is a UK-headquartered CRM company that sells and also implements its own software, positioning itself as a "no BS" alternative to the CRM industry's largest vendors. In a recent episode of Marketers of Technology, we sat down with Dan Roche , Chief Marketing Officer at Workbooks , to learn how a six-person marketing team is using AI-scored sales calls to end a long running argument between marketing and sales over lead quality. Topics Discussed: Why Workbooks decided to be the software vendor and the implementation partner, instead of just selling licenses How a deliberately provocative ad campaign became part of Workbooks' "no BS" positioning Why Workbooks targets mid-sized companies that big CRM vendors and SMB tools both tend to underserve How AI-transcribed and AI-scored sales calls removed the subjective back and forth between marketing and sales over lead quality Why Dan's six-person marketing team can act like a much larger one using AI tools instead of extra headcount What Dan's end of year goals look like for a challenger brand with a limited budget GTM & Technology Adoption Lessons: Sell the outcome, not just the license: Dan said the traditional CRM sales model leaves customers to implement the software themselves or pay an expensive third party partner whose interest can be in making the project more complicated. Workbooks instead sells and implements, which he said directly shaped the company's "no BS CRM provider" positioning. Be provocative on purpose, not by accident: Workbooks built a deliberately blunt, "quite rude" ad video because Dan believes overly polished AI-generated marketing is losing people's trust. He said the goal was to shock people "out of their comfort zone" to get them to question defaulting to the biggest, most obvious CRM vendors. Codify what a good lead looks like before you automate scoring it: Dan's team did not hand lead scoring to AI first. They agreed the definition of a qualified lead with the sales team, in terms of industry, company size, persona, and firmographics, and only then loaded that definition into the CRM for AI to apply consistently. Let AI end a long running argument, not just speed up a task: Dan described years of marketing and sales disputing whether a given lead was actually good. Now that sales calls are transcribed and scored by AI against the agreed lead definition, he said the result is objective: "there's no more discussions around marketing leads bad... everything is objective." Use AI to make individual contributors act like a bigger team: Dan said his head of content and head of product marketing now use AI tools to produce design and sales enablement work that would previously have required hiring a designer or a support exec, letting his six-person team output more without adding headcount, though he noted this also shrinks the number of entry-level marketing roles industry-wide. Repeat the story instead of chasing new ones: With a limited budget against much larger competitors, Dan's plan for the rest of the year is to keep operationalizing the funnel from spend through to pipeline, and to repeat the existing "no BS" brand message rather than launch new campaigns he cannot afford to sustain. // Sponsors: Front Lines — Silicon Valley's leading Podcast Production Studio. We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. Mention you are a listener and get a 10% discount. www.FrontLines.io/Podcast-as-a-Service

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