What do two coaches on opposite sides of the world actually talk about when they think out loud together? For eight years and 400-plus episodes, that has been the whole of The Long and The Short Of It: a weekly conversation for thoughtful leaders, coaches, and creatives who would rather be useful than loud. Pete Shepherd is an Australian leadership coach and the former Head Coach of Seth Godin's altMBA, who has worked with leaders at Google, Toyota, Woolworths, Kraft Heinz and the Australian Navy. Jen Waldman runs her own studio in New York and has coached performers across much of Broadway. Every Tuesday they take one small, real moment, a difficult conversation, a 3am worry, a question from a client, and turn it into a question or a reframe you can use today. The show is about leadership, coaching, creativity, fear, feedback, imposter syndrome, habits, and what it actually means to be human at work. Under twenty minutes. No guests. No ads. No script. If a friend sent you here, start anywhere. And come find the Box O' Goodies, our weekly email, at thelongandtheshortpodcast.com.
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Signup to Generate a PitchWhat do two coaches on opposite sides of the world actually talk about when they think out loud together? For eight years and 400-plus episodes, that has been the whole of The Long and The Short Of It: a weekly conversation for thoughtful leaders, coaches, and creatives who would rather be useful than loud.
Recent episodes include "422. Five Minute Rule" (27 October 2026, 18 minutes), "421. Leading People Who Don't Want To Be Led" (20 October 2026, 20 minutes), and "420. Jen's Big Oopsie" (13 October 2026, 19 minutes).
The Long and The Short Of It publishes roughly weekly, with episodes averaging 18 minutes.
Booking probability for The Long and The Short Of It is 53%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. The Long and The Short Of It requires a Pod Score of 87 or higher. The Long and The Short Of It's contact route on record: verified email.
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Episode #422
In this week's episode, Pete shares with Jen a recent lesson from James Clear, and together they noodle on how it can just take five minutes to break the cycle. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk...
Episode #421
This week, after moving beyond the obvious answer to the question, Pete and Jen brainstorm on possible tactics for attempting to lead those who don't wish to be led. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk...
Episode #420
After a big mistake, Jen confides in Pete, and together they brainstorm (with some wise advice from Jen's daughter) on how to confront mistakes when they happen, and how to move on from them. Specifically, in this...
Episode #419
This week, Jen and Pete noodle on an activity that they do together every week: thinking out loud. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What might be some fears and hesitancy around thinking out loud...
Episode #418
After visiting a witch, Jen shares her experience with Pete, and together, they noodle on the power of a reframe. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is the gift to be found out of some of our...
Episode #417
Another week, another acronym, as Pete and Jen noodle on the fear of the atrophy of the brain, due to reliance on AI. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: How might we limit and monitor our usage of...
Episode #416
After a recent vacation adventure, Jen shares with Pete an experience of falling on her face, and together they noodle on the advantages of failures. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What makes us...
Episode #415
Inspired by Pete's mum, Pete and Jen noodle on the qualities of leadership that allow everyone in the room to succeed, whether in the back of a car, on a stage, or in an office. Specifically, in this episode Jen and...
Episode #414
Taking inspiration from the Disney Map, Jen and Pete noodle on what their own mind maps might look like, and how they might be created in the first place. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is...
Episode #413
After a trip down memory lane this week, Jen noodles with Pete on the ways in which we reflect, and how we might learn from our past self. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What are different...
Episode #412
This week, Pete shares with Jen some lessons he has learned from his swimming coach, on how to measure progress...by stopping the measuring. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: Why might our existing...
Episode #411
After submitting many proposals between the two of them, Pete and Jen noodle on their proposal writing process, and how they might help their clients to write their own. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk...
Episode #410
This week, Pete brings his sighs and his aha moments around grown up sh*t to Jen, and they unpack it all together. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: Why is adulting so hard sometimes? What tactics...
Episode #409
After a recent episode on packing, Jen and Pete spend this week mulling over the idea of its opposite: unpacking. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What are some tactics we might use to make it...
Episode #408
After thinking over and over about the concept of strategy, Pete turns to Jen to help him unravel what strategy actually is and how it can be best utilized by individuals and companies. Specifically, in this episode Jen...
Episode #407
As Jen prepares for her summer travel, she and Pete noodle on the activity of packing, and the sometimes difficult decisions of what to bring and what to leave behind. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk...
Episode #406
This week, Pete shares with Jen a perfectionism trap within an AI model, and together they noodle on how to get their work unstuck and shipped. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What tools might we...
Episode #405
This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the creative process, and how we might build and iterate on our ideas. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: How does Jen think about the creative process? And Pete...
Episode #404
This week, Pete revisits what it's like to be a student, and he and Jen noodle on the mental frameworks this inspires in them. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is it like to be new in a...
Episode #403
Energized from her coaching retreat, Jen shares with Pete five learnings from the three-day discourse between herself, the coaches, and their clients. Specifically, in this episode, the learnings that Jen and Pete talk...
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