The Co-Living Show

Co-living is one of the most misunderstood, and highest-potential, ​ strategies in residential real estate investing. Most investors hear the buzzwords, see the cash-flow claims, and immediately assume it’s either too risky, too operationally intense, or too complicated to scale. The truth is simpler: coliving work exceptionally well when built on systems, governed by operational clarity, and executed like a real business, not a side hustle. The Co-Living Show exists to make that clarity accessible for serious professionals who want smarter returns without gambling on guesswork. ​ ​ Hosted by BiggerPockets authors Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain, The Co-Living Show goes far beyond surface-level real estate content. This is the only real estate investing podcast dedicated exclusively to the economics, operations, regulations, and strategic frameworks that drive high-density co-living and shared housing at scale. Whether you’re new to the model or a high-earning, time-poor p

The Co-Living Show is a business podcast hosted by Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain, with 331 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain hosts The Co-Living Show, a business show with 331 episodes published.

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  Episode #28

  EP 28 - Inside the Country's Largest Co-Living Operation

  Aug 20, 202657 minS1

  How do you scale a co-living company from a small operation to nearly 4,000 units across major U.S. cities? In this episode, Miller and Craig sit down with Sergii Starostin, co-founder and CEO of Outpost Club, to explore the strategies behind one of the country’s largest co-living operations. Sergii explains how Outpost expanded through organic growth and strategic acquisitions, including taking over properties from Bedly, Quarters, Common Living, and June Homes. He also shares how the company evaluates acquisition opportunities, determines which markets make sense, and chooses between master leases, revenue-sharing agreements, and property management contracts. The conversation also covers: Why Outpost focuses on large projects with 100–200 rooms How acquisitions helped the company enter new markets Why some previously strong co-living markets are now struggling How Outpost evaluates property management companies using EBITDA Why market concentration helps lower customer acquisition costs How AI increased each leasing representative’s capacity from roughly seven leads to 40–50 leads per day How AI is changing leasing, marketing, customer service, and financial operations Why Sergii believes traditional software-as-a-service could disappear Outpost’s upcoming free property management platform, Nebo What the future may hold for co-living operators and property managers Whether you currently operate a few rooms or hope to build a national co-living company, this episode provides a rare look inside co-living at an entirely different scale. Connect with Sergii Starostin: Email: ss@outpost.me Nebo: https://mynebo.co Follow Miller McSwain: https://www.instagram.com/millermcswain/ Follow Craig Curelop: https://www.instagram.com/craigcurelop/

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  Episode #27

  EP 27 - The AI-Powered Co-Living Owner: Investing From 800 Miles Away

  Aug 12, 202653 minS1

  Can AI help you become a more informed co-living owner without taking over your property manager’s job? In this episode of The Co-Living Show, Miller McSwain and Craig Curelop sit down with Tanya Zorov, a co-living investor who lives in New Jersey and owns two properties in Jacksonville, Florida. Tanya explains how she purchased two already-operating co-living homes, kept the existing property manager in place, and began using AI to improve her oversight of the portfolio. She shares how she combines income and expense data, monitors cash flow, tracks repairs, studies room performance, and evaluates potential acquisitions through her own AI-powered operating system. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why Tanya chose Jacksonville for her out-of-state investments The advantages of purchasing an operating co-living property How a local property manager supports remote ownership The true cost of combining PadSplit with property management How Tanya uses AI to review income, expenses, and net cash flow A simple way beginners can start analyzing portfolio data with AI Why occupancy can significantly affect smaller co-living properties What Tanya will look for in her next co-living acquisition Why strong local relationships still matter in an AI-powered business Tanya’s advice for beginners is simple: start small. Export the data from your income and bookkeeping platforms, add it to an AI project, and begin asking questions about the performance of your portfolio. Connect with the hosts: Miller McSwain Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/millermcswain Craig Curelop Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/craigcurelop Connect with Tanya: https://www.facebook.com/tanya.larina.9066

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  Episode #26

  Ep 26 - Co-Living Arbitrage: The Low-Capital Way to Scale

  Aug 6, 202654 minS1

  Can you scale a co-living business without buying every property? In this episode, Miller and Craig are joined by Dave Edwards , founder of CoLiving Operations, for a detailed breakdown of co-living arbitrage. Instead of purchasing a property and taking on a mortgage, an arbitrage operator leases the home from its owner, receives permission to operate it as a co-living property, and rents the individual rooms. This can reduce the capital needed to get started while potentially producing stronger monthly cash flow. Dave walks through his first co-living arbitrage deal: a six-bedroom property leased for $1,450 per month. He explains how he negotiated the agreement, paid for the setup and improvements, recovered his investment during the first year, and eventually sold his position in the lease. The conversation also covers the realities and risks of this strategy, including vacancies, local regulations, renovation expenses, landlord communication, lease obligations, and the importance of having a clear exit clause. In this episode: • How co-living arbitrage works • How to find motivated property owners • The pitch that can make arbitrage attractive to landlords • Residential versus commercial lease structures • Why longer lease terms protect your investment • Security deposits, furnishings, walls, and startup expenses • Negotiating free rent during renovations • Comparing arbitrage cash flow with ownership • Protecting yourself with an exit clause • Using arbitrage to test a new market • Building trust that could lead to seller financing or ownership • Deciding whether arbitrage or purchasing is right for you Arbitrage may not provide appreciation, mortgage paydown, or the same tax advantages as ownership, but it can offer a faster and less capital-intensive way to build cash flow and operating experience. Connect with Miller McSwain: https://www.instagram.com/millermcswain Connect with Craig Curelop: https://www.instagram.com/craigcurelop Connect with Dave Edwards: https://www.instagram.com/djedwards83 Follow The Co-Living Show for more practical conversations about acquiring, operating, managing, and scaling co-living properties. Enjoyed the episode? Follow the show and leave a rating or review to help more co-living investors and operators discover it.

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  Episode #25

  EP 25 - 8 Things We Look for Before Buying a Co-Living Property

  Jul 30, 202647 minS1

  Not every large house is a good co-living investment. In this solo episode, Miller McSwain and Craig Curelop break down the eight factors they evaluate before buying a property for co-living. Drawing from their experience acquiring and operating dozens of homes, they explain how neighborhood demand, property layout, parking, bathroom ratios, and other details can determine whether a deal succeeds or becomes an operational headache. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why Class B and C neighborhoods often work best for co-living The property size and bedroom count Craig and Miller target How they turn a six-bedroom house into a 10-bedroom co-living property Why parking can become a major deal breaker Their preferred bedroom-to-bathroom ratio How floor plans affect revenue and renovation costs Why they avoid HOAs—even when the monthly fee is low The red flags they look for before making an offer Why attractive listing photos can directly affect occupancy How common areas and private suites can improve the resident experience Whether you’re analyzing your first co-living property or refining your acquisition criteria, this episode gives you a practical checklist to use before making an offer. Follow Miller McSwain on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/millermcswain/ Follow Craig Curelop on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/craigcurelop/ Follow The Co-Living Show for more conversations about acquiring, designing, operating, and scaling profitable co-living properties.

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  Episode #24

  EP 24 - Building a Co-Living Portfolio While Traveling the World

  Jul 23, 20261h 5mS1

  What if your real estate portfolio could support your lifestyle instead of controlling it? In this episode of The Co-Living Show, Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain sit down with Eric Lafon to break down how he is using house hacking and co-living to build financial and geographic freedom. After being laid off from his software job just before Christmas, Eric moved to Denver and took action on a goal he had been considering for years. He purchased a four-bedroom property, converted it into seven rentable bedrooms, and now generates approximately $7,000 per month in rental income. Eric shares how he purchased the property with only 5% down, invested roughly $57,000 between the down payment and renovations, and now earns approximately $1,700 per month in cash flow after expenses and reserves. They also discuss: • How to identify properties with co-living potential • Why large homes with fewer bedrooms can be hidden opportunities • The challenges of living with your residents • Creating house rules without making the home feel overly restrictive • Screening residents and setting expectations from the beginning • Building community without forcing it • Managing maintenance, turnovers, and communication remotely • Buying his second house hack while traveling in Pakistan • Adjusting room pricing and marketing during slower rental seasons • Using systems and local vendors to operate properties from anywhere • Eric’s plan to scale through partnerships and additional house hacks Eric’s story offers a practical path for anyone who wants to enter co-living without immediately purchasing a large portfolio. He proves that you can start with one house hack, learn the operational side firsthand, and gradually build systems that give you more freedom. Follow Eric on Instagram: www.instagram.com/soylafon Follow the hosts: Craig Curelop: www.instagram.com/craigcurelop Miller McSwain: www.instagram.com/millermcswain Join The Co-Living Community: www.millermcswain.com/community

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