
Strong Tower Mental Health Podcast
257. Mental Health & the Unseen Realm with Dr. Natalie Atwell
What if some of what we're seeing in mental health can't be fully understood through a psychological lens alone? In this episode of the Strong Tower Mental Health Podcast , Heidi sits down with Dr. Natalie Atwell , licensed clinical mental health counselor and author of Humanity Under Siege , for a thought-provoking conversation about mental health, spiritual warfare, and the unseen realm. After encountering the biblical scholarship of Dr. Michael Heiser, Natalie began looking more deeply at what Scripture says about the spiritual world—and how that understanding might inform her work with clients. Rather than replacing good clinical care with spiritual explanations, Natalie developed an approach that considers the whole person: psychological, physical, relational, and spiritual . Together, Heidi and Natalie discuss: How Michael Heiser's work on the unseen realm changed Natalie's approach to mental health How clinicians can explore spiritual concerns ethically, including the importance of assessment and informed consent Why Christians need discernment around New Age and other spiritual practices increasingly appearing in mental health spaces How to distinguish psychological and trauma-related patterns from possible spiritual influences—without assuming everything is spiritual How biblical truth, trauma-informed care, CBT, prayer, and spiritual assessment can work together while remaining within appropriate clinical boundaries Natalie also shares why she believes Christian therapists shouldn't have to hide their faith to practice ethically—and why both courage and humility are needed when addressing areas we cannot always see. This conversation is ultimately about hope . We don't have to fear the unseen realm, and we don't have to choose between sound mental health care and a biblical worldview. We can pursue truth, wisdom, discernment, and excellent care while continually pointing people toward the hope found in Jesus. "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." — Ephesians 6:12 NKJV Learn more about Dr. Natalie Atwell and her work at Mental Warrior Consulting , and find her book, Humanity Under Siege , wherever books are sold. Natalie's website: https://mentalwarriorconsulting.com/ Purchase Natalie's book Humanity Under Siege: https://a.co/d/000TlgOl Find more about Heidi: www.heidimortensonlmft.com Schedule a FREE 15-minute clarity call with Heidi: https://calendly.com/heidimortenson/15min Join my mailing list: https://landing.mailerlite.com/webforms/landing/t5u2y5 If you are in crisis, help is available by call or text 1-800-273-8255 24/7. You can also visit https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org . You are loved!






