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Say It Anyway is the podcast where we say the things about digital marketing you’re technically supposed to keep to yourself. Every week, hosts Mordy Oberstein (Head of Brand, SE Ranking) and Miruna Dragomir (CMO, Planable) take an honest — sometimes uncomfortably honest — look at what’s actually happening across the modern marketing landscape.
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Signup to Generate a PitchSay It Anyway is the podcast where we say the things about digital marketing you’re technically supposed to keep to yourself. Every week, hosts Mordy Oberstein (Head of Brand, SE Ranking) and Miruna Dragomir (CMO, Planable) take an honest, sometimes uncomfortably honest, look at what’s actually happening across the modern marketing landscape.
Recent episodes include "Marketing is flattening, if you're flat" (2 July 2026, 17 minutes), "Agents aren't marketing's biggest problem. Your team structure is!" (10 June 2026, 14 minutes), and "Will brand no longer matter because of AI?" (4 June 2026, 18 minutes).
Say It Anyway publishes roughly every two weeks, with episodes averaging 29 minutes across 49 episodes.
Booking probability for Say It Anyway is 31%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. Say It Anyway requires a Pod Score of 80 or higher. Say It Anyway's contact route on record: public web form.
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Say It Anyway is a business podcast with 49 episodes published.
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"Marketing is flattening" is the doomscroll take of the moment. Every CMO community, every newsletter, every panel: AI is going to make every brand sound the same, look the same, and blur into one giant beige blob...
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Every conference talk, every LinkedIn thread right now: agents, agents, agents. Mordy and Miruna think that framing is hiding the actual problem. The real struggle for most marketing teams isn't the technology — it's...
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Brand Isn't Dying. You're Just Looking at the Wrong Part of the Funnel. Every few weeks, somebody declares brand dead because AI is going to handle the discovery, the research, and the decision for the user. Convenient...
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SEOs are doing what SEOs do. And Mordy has some feelings about it. Two tactics have become the go-to playbook for gaming LLMs right now. The first is chunking: stripping your entire site down to bite-sized snippets —...
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Here’s an uncomfortable conversation no one wants to have with their CMO. When AI visibility became the next big metric to chase, most marketing leadership did what felt instinctively logical: handed it to the SEO team...
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Short answer: yes. Long answer: this episode. ChatGPT is running ads at $60 per impression. Not per click — per impression. That’s Super Bowl money, for a platform where the majority of users still aren’t seeing any...
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“How much more can we produce with AI?” is the wrong question. Everyone is measuring AI adoption by output: more content, more copy, more campaigns, more. Mordy Oberstein and Miruna Dragomir argue that framing has teams...
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At SEO Foresight 2026 on December 9, join widely respected voices in search—Barry Schwartz, Melissa Popp, Erin Sparks and Grace Frohlich—for a grounded discussion on how teams are planning budgets across today’s...
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Join Jessica Redman, co-founder of Didgeheads and multi-platform visibility strategist, for a fast-paced guide to showing up across Google, TikTok, and AI answer engines. In this episode, Jessica unpacks the psychology...
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Join Garrett Sussman, Director of Marketing at iPullRank, as he explores how conversational AI and cognitive bias are reshaping search strategy in 2025. In this episode, Garrett breaks down how chat-style answer...
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Join Alex Moss, Principal SEO at Yoast and co-founder of FireCask, as he dives into the world of AI-ready schema and structured data, sharing insights from his 20+ years of experience in technical SEO. In this episode...
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Join Barry Schwartz, President at RustyBrick, Thomas Phillips, Co-Founder of DTC SEO Agency, and Janna Pugh, SEO Specialist at Five9, as they discuss how AI-driven search is rewriting the SEO rulebook. Discover where...
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In this episode, John Reinesch, Founder of Asset Growth, shares key insights into building and sustaining effective local SEO strategies. Learn about long-term versus short-term tactics, foundational SEO elements...
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In this episode, Marketing Director at edays, Lewis Rennison , dives into how AI-driven search tools are reshaping SEO—highlighting which strategies are becoming obsolete and which core practices remain essential...
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In this episode, local SEO expert and Platinum Google Product Expert, Claudia Tomina, discusses how AI-driven search tools are reshaping local SEO—highlighting which strategies are becoming obsolete and which core...
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In this episode, the pioneer of SEO copywriting, Heather Lloyd-Martin, discusses how generative AI tools are reshaping SEO copywriting—highlighting which tactics are losing relevance and which foundational principles...
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In this episode, Rejoice Ojiaku discusses SEO strategies that serve AI-driven search experiences like AI Overviews and ChatGPT. Discover how generative AI is transforming SEO, the challenges and opportunities it...
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Join industry-leading SEO experts for an exclusive panel discussion on Google's AI Overviews. Barry Schwartz, Itamar Blauer, Erin Sparks and Anastasia K. are discussing the evolution of AI-driven search features and...
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In this episode, Signify Digital’s Managing Partner Beth Sherman explains how to create impactful SEO strategies on a tight budget. Learn how to tackle key challenges for budget-conscious clients, focus on areas with...
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Explore GA4 analytics with Dana DiTomaso, President and Partner at Kick Point. In this episode, Dana shares her expertise with GA4, covering everything from using its event-based model to reporting with Looker Studio...
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