My First Stage: How I Landed My First Speaking Gig (and What Happened Next)

Every speaker has a story. But before the standing ovations, the TEDx invitations, and the six-figure speaking fees, there was one gig—the first real stage—that started it all. My First Stage is a podcast that goes behind the mic with professional speakers, authors, coaches, and entrepreneurs to uncover the stories of how they booked their very first speaking engagement and how that moment transformed their confidence, credibility, and career. From kitchen table pitches and last-minute invites to breakout sessions that turned into full-blown keynotes, our guests take you back to the beginning. These aren’t just tales of stepping on stage—they’re raw, honest, and often surprising accounts of what it really took to land that first gig, what happened once they got on stage, and how it impacted the direction of their business from that moment on. Whether you’re an emerging speaker, a seasoned professional, or someone looking to grow your brand, income, or impact through the power of speaking, My First Stage offers the inspiration, insights, and tactical takeaways to help you elevate your own platform. What You’ll Hear: Real stories from real speakers about the hustle, heart, and happy accidents that led to their first booked gig Behind-the-scenes moments: awkward intros, standing ovations, tech fails, and everything in between Lessons learned that helped shape the way they pitch, present, and position themselves today Business impact: how a single stage turned into media coverage, new clients, product launches, or an entirely new path Tips and advice for landing your first (or next) speaking opportunity, straight from those who’ve been there Too often, we only see the highlight reel: the perfectly lit sizzle reel, the booked-out calendar, the standing-room-only audience. But every speaker, no matter how seasoned or successful, had a first time. A first pitch. A first yes. A first chance to prove themselves. My First Stage is a celebration of that beginning. It’s a tribute to the courage it takes to speak—and the way one stage can change everything. Whether you’re hoping to build your speaking business or just looking for the spark to finally step into the spotlight, this podcast is here to help you take that next step. Because your story is powerful. And your first stage might just be the start of something even bigger. Want to Be a Guest? If you’re a speaker with a story to share about your first booked stage—how you got it, what it meant to you, and how it shaped your business—we want to hear it. Apply to be a guest at www.myfirststagepodcast.com or connect with us at @StickWithBranded on social.

My First Stage: How I Landed My First Speaking Gig (and What Happened Next) is a business podcast hosted by Unknown Host, with 27 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

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  Episode #25

  Stop Losing Leads: How Strategic Follow-Up Turns Speaking Gigs Into Clients

  Jul 30, 202632 min

  Welcome to another episode of My First Stage: the podcast where I sit down with professional public speakers to get candid about how they found their first audiences, conquered the nerves, and built speaking into something truly transformational. This week, I had an incredible conversation with Wanda Allen—and if you’ve ever struggled with making follow-up a habit (hi, fellow ADHD crowd!), prepare to take notes. Wanda Allen has not only mastered the art of follow-up but has made it her career mission. Wanda Allen is an international speaker, coach, corporate trainer, author, and (quite possibly) the world’s leading follow-up expert. After a 25-year corporate career in banking where she developed world-class systems for persistence, Wanda Allen made the leap into teaching others how to master follow-up—turning simple actions into lifelong clients, opportunities, and stages. Whether you’re trying to sell, connect, or just keep in touch, her insights will change how you think about the fortune that really is in the follow-up. What We Talked About Wanda’s Origin Story: How a corporate career cut short led her to her very first (unstructured!) speaking stages Early Mistakes and Big Lessons: Why giving away “the whole store” doesn’t help your business—and how learning to sell from the stage is an ongoing process What to Share (and What Not To): The life-changing tip of telling your audience what to do, but reserving the “how” for paid services The Art of the Follow-Up: How to strike the right balance between bringing value and leaving your audience wanting more Audience & Event Follow-Up: Tactical strategies for keeping connections warm—without letting fear or self-doubt get in your way Lead Magnets That Work: Simple, actionable forms, drawings, giveaways, and examples of how to get high ROI from every event Mastering the Phone: Facing down the fear of calling (and leaving voicemails!) in a text-and-email world Why Consistency Wins: How committing to follow-up every single day can transform your speaking business If Wanda Allen’s approach to follow-up got you fired up, here’s what to do next: Connect with Wanda – Get inspired, grab some freebies, or book a call by visiting followupsalesstrategies.com. Put Action First – Schedule 10 minutes every working day for follow-up—call, email, DM, whatever works, but make it a habit. Share Your Story – I want to hear about your own follow-up wins and horror stories! Head over to myfirststagepodcast.com and let’s keep the conversation going. Subscribe & Review – If these strategies are helping you step up your speaking game, subscribe to My First Stage, leave a review, and tell me who you want to hear from next! Thanks for joining me this week! Keep practicing your follow-up, keep collecting those wins, and I’ll see you next episode on My First Stage! Timestamped Summaries [00:00-01:10] – I introduce Wanda Allen and we jump into her background, from 25 years as a senior VP in banking to suddenly being let go—and being challenged to teach her secret: follow-up. [01:11-03:30] – Wanda Allen recounts her first shaky, unstructured stage experiences, the mistake of giving away too much, and how a coach helped her recognize she was overdelivering rather than inviting action. [04:27-05:10] – The game-changing advice: tell your audience what to do, not how to do it—the “how” is your expertise, reserved for clients. [06:49-07:52] – How Wanda Allen now draws a clear line between free content and her paid program, handling audience questions by offering high-level advice without giving away her systems. [09:38-10:10] – Why “making the audience laugh” isn’t just about being a comedian—Wanda Allen shares how she uses humorous slides to keep things authentic and fun, even as a non-comedic speaker. [11:27-13:34] – Follow-up essentials: sending thank-you emails, striking while the iron’s hot, and why you need to contact interested audience members immediately to maximize ROI. [14:34-16:48] – Navigating lead magnets, worksheets, and business cards: what works, what’s a waste, and how to be “pleasantly persistent” without coming across as pushy. [18:29-19:50] – Lead generation tactics that get results—simple forms, drawings, and even Starbucks gift cards can fill your pipeline with hot leads without overwhelming your process. [21:03-24:02] – What do you say after the first follow-up? Wanda Allen reveals how many touches it really takes (hint: usually more than five!) and how staying consistent sets you apart. [24:05-28:25] – Why the phone is still your secret weapon, even when “nobody answers” these days, and how voice-to-voice (and even voicemail) builds relationships faster than endless email threads. [30:54-31:32] – The number one habit for ROI: commit to follow-up as a daily non-negotiable—it will change your business, your bookings, and your confidence.

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  Episode #24

  Using Podcasting to Shape Your Speaking Career With Justin Peters

  Jul 23, 202633 min

  Welcome to another episode of My First Stage: the podcast where I sit down with public speakers to get real about how they got started, how they landed their first stages, and how speaking helped transform their businesses and lives. I had the pleasure of sharing the (virtual) stage with Justin Peters, one of my favorite competitors in the podcasting world and someone who always keeps me inspired. Justin is a podcast coach, co-founder of SimplePod, and the host of Podcast Playbook. Not only has Justin been podcasting since 2019—he’s helped countless business owners launch, edit, and manage podcasts that build authority and trust with their audiences. We’ve spoken at many events in our shared city, and I’m thrilled for you to hear his story. Here’s a quick overview of what Justin and I discussed during our conversation: Justin’s Unconventional First Stage: How saying “yes” to a viral opportunity landed him in front of 250 people as a 20-year-old. Big Stages vs. Small Stages: Why smaller audiences can trigger bigger nerves—and why stage size impacts your engagement style. Building Your Personal Brand: The role of content creation in getting noticed, “being qualified,” and landing speaking gigs. Toastmasters & Skill Development: How Justin used Toastmasters to sharpen his ability and stay intentional about growing as a speaker. Monetizing Your Stage Time: How Justin leverages presentations for lead generation, business growth, and long-term relationships. Judging Success: The mix of metrics and gut feel that determines whether a speaking opportunity was worth it. Repurposing Your Content: Strategies for turning speaking gigs into lasting assets—in newsletters, podcasts, and social posts. Podcasting & Speaking: Why podcast hosts make great speakers, and how practicing content off-stage translates to confidence on-stage. Authenticity vs. Polish: Our take on filler words, nervous ticks, and why being relatable matters (especially in the personal finance space!) Maximizing Every Role: How moderating panels and volunteering can be stepping stones to bigger stages—and how to be strategic about it. Advice For Aspiring Speakers: Justin’s best tip for beginners—start local, build your list, and don’t be the one to tell yourself “no.” If Justin’s story lit a fire for you, here’s how you can turn inspiration into action: Share Your Story! – I want to hear about your own first stage moment. Visit myfirststagepodcast.com and let’s connect. Connect with Justin – Learn more about Justin’s work at SimplePod Studios or follow him on LinkedIn. And don’t miss his new Podcast Playbook show! Subscribe & Review – If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to subscribe to My First Stage. Leave a rating or review and let me know who you want to hear from next! Take Your First Step – Apply for a local conference, volunteer as a moderator, or pitch yourself as a podcast guest. Your next stage could be just one ask away. Thanks for joining me for this fantastic episode—can’t wait to bring you more stories, advice, and fresh inspiration on the next My First Stage! Timestamped Summaries [00:00-01:10] – I introduce Justin and we reminisce about sharing stages together; Justin shares how his first big speaking opportunity came from a viral blog post and led him onto a major industry stage. [01:10-02:16] – Justin describes “ripping the bandaid off” for his first 250-person talk—and getting help from a co-speaker. [02:16-03:21] – We discuss nerves, audience size, and the surprising impact of smaller, more intimate crowds. [03:32-04:30] – Justin explains why smaller rooms can be tougher—and how podcasting reps have calmed his nerves. [04:41-05:34] – Justin lays out his personal brand strategy for getting on stages: content, identity, and creating expertise that attracts opportunities. [05:49-06:31] – The meaning of “qualification” for speakers—Justin talks about guiding an audience through their problem and knowing your subject deeply. [07:43-08:52] – Justin’s practical advice: just apply for speaking slots, reach out to event organizers, and don’t wait for someone else’s invitation. [09:18-10:06] – The business impact of speaking: Justin shares how stage appearances drive direct leads, conversions, and long-tail followers. [10:33-11:18] – Quantitative vs. qualitative measures of success—metrics, gut feeling, and meaningful hallway conversations. [13:36-14:35] – Structuring talks for lead generation: tactical content, resource downloads, and real-time engagement strategies. [14:42-15:46] – How podcasting and speaking go hand-in-hand—practicing content, generating ideas, and building confidence behind the mic. [17:24-18:19] – Using podcast episodes and clips as speaker reels in applications (and why it gives you a strategic edge). [18:57-20:20] – Authenticity vs. polish—why you don’t have to be perfect, as long as your insight and storytelling land for your audience. [22:28-23:47] – Justin’s worst stage experience: disorganization, interruption, and lessons learned about MCs and panel moderation. [26:12-28:47] – Using panel moderation, volunteering, and smaller roles to grow your reputation and credibility for larger stages. [29:24-30:47] – Repurposing speaking gigs for social, podcast, and newsletters—why every moment on stage can turn into powerful marketing. [31:07-31:48] – Justin’s bonus tip for beginners: start local, build your conference/event master list, and aim for manageable, high-impact opportunities. [32:06-32:37] – Justin introduces Podcast Playbook, his brand-new show for business podcasters, and explains where you can find him.

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  Episode #23

  The ROI of Speaking: Growing a Business by Getting on Stages, Ready or Not

  Jul 16, 202633 min

  Welcome back to another episode of My First Stage! I’m your host, Sara Lohse, and this is the podcast where we dive deep with professional public speakers to find out how they got booked on their very first stages, what happened next, and all the ways public speaking can transform a business—and a life. This week, I sat down with the incredible Kati Peterman, and her first stage story is as wild (and relatable) as it gets. If you’ve ever “blacked out” on stage, felt completely overwhelmed by the tech, or doubted whether you could handle the heat, you are going to love this conversation. Kati is the founder of FRX and a true industry expert on live events, stages, and being in the spotlight—though, as you’ll hear, even the pros don’t always remember their first time! Kati isn’t just a master event producer; she’s also a seasoned facilitator, educator, and—most importantly—a speaker who’s brutally honest about what it feels like to get thrown into the deep end. Here’s a quick look at what Kati and I explored in this episode: Kati’s Hilarious First Stage: How she went from behind-the-scenes to front-and-center when her boss fell ill… and the total on-stage “blackout” that followed. Getting Past the Nerves: Why confidence in your content matters, and how surprise interruptions (and ego-tripping audience members!) can still throw a pro off. Tech, Microphones, and Secret Survival Tips: The lessons Kati learned about event tech—like why she swears by the “Britney mic.” Learning to Love the ROI: How stepping on stage replaced paid ads, powered referrals, and revolutionized Kati’s approach to business development. Creating Your Own Stages: Why you shouldn’t wait to be invited—launch that webinar, masterclass, or podcast and build your own authority. Tactical Advice for Pitching: Straight talk on how to win over event organizers by being collaborative (not just self-promotional). Social Proof and Clean Profiles: Why it’s critical to make sure your digital presence lines up with the professional you want to be. If you found Kati’s story inspiring or you’re ready to step onto your own stage, here’s what you can do next: Share Your Own Stage Story — Visit myfirststagepodcast.com and tell us about your unforgettable “first stage” moment! Connect with Kati — Reach out to Kati Peterman on LinkedIn or explore yourfrx.com for strategy sessions, events, and industry insights. Subscribe & Review — If you enjoyed today’s episode, subscribe to My First Stage wherever you get your podcasts, leave us a rating/review, and let us know what you want to hear next. Take the Leap — Don’t wait to be discovered. Host your own virtual event, mastermind, or podcast—even a small platform teaches you how to shine! Thank you so much for tuning in! I can’t wait to bring you more raw, practical stories and advice from the best stages (and speakers) out there. Timestamped Summaries [00:00-00:39] — I introduce Kati and she shares how she landed on her very first stage completely unprepared (and thanks to a boss with a sudden illness!). [00:39-02:52] — Kati relives her “blackout” moment during a live masterclass—panic, sweat, and all—plus the quick-thinking AV team that helped her recover. [02:52-04:52] — We laugh about how it feels to realize you can’t remember anything you said on stage, and Kati shares the inside joke she now has with her boss: “Just don’t black out.” [04:56-08:07] — Kati reveals exactly what changed the next time she spoke (hint: control + preparation), her favorite tech setup, and how interruptions can still shake your confidence. [08:08-12:00] — We talk about audience Q&A “hijacks,” managing awkward story-sharers, and why handling the unexpected is key to feeling in control. [12:00-14:54] — Kati and I dig into how ANYONE can create their own speaking opportunities with podcasts or virtual training—and why it’s crucial to deliver both education AND entertainment. [14:55-19:45] — We break down the need for “eight to 11 hours” of audience education before a high-ticket sale, the power of recurring content, and tips for priming your audience before live calls. [19:50-24:23] — Practical differences between virtual and in-person events, plus Kati’s strategies for keeping audiences engaged (and awake!) in both settings. [24:25-29:18] — Kati shares game-changing advice for pitching yourself to event organizers—and why being “value-add” and audience-focused matters way more than hyping yourself up. [29:39-31:25] — We wrap up with Kati’s biggest advice: Don’t wait for the perfect moment—start now, make your online presence clear, and treat every opportunity like it’s your dream stage.

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  Episode #21

  How to Overcome First-Time Stage Fright and Successfully Sell from the Stage

  Jul 2, 202632 min

  Welcome to another episode of My First Stage! This is the podcast where we dive into the early moments of some of today’s most seasoned speakers. We talk about the nerves, the mishaps, the lessons, and the surprising paths that can turn one first stage into a lifelong calling—and a business superpower. This week, I sat down with Jeremy Shapiro, a serial entrepreneur, author of Your Business Growth Playbook, and host of the Your Business Growth Podcast. Jeremy’s story is not just a masterclass in public speaking, but also a hilarious reminder that sometimes the biggest mishaps become our most pivotal memories—yes, even if they involve ripping your pants before a big sales pitch. Jeremy Shapiro has spent 30 years building businesses and helping other entrepreneurs break through plateaus and frustrations. He’s a systems thinker, a champion of iterative growth, and a firm believer in just getting out there and starting—even if you’re scared, unprepared, or in desperate need of a tailor. As an author, podcast host, and sought-after speaker, Jeremy’s advice is equal parts practical, actionable, and empathetic (with plenty of war stories to prove it). Here’s what Jeremy and I covered in our conversation: A First Stage You’ll Never Forget: Jeremy recounts his first big speaking gig—a nerve-wracking sales presentation, complete with cold calls, last-minute changes, and a catastrophic wardrobe malfunction. Teaching vs. Selling from Stage: The psychological and tactical differences between teaching a small interactive class and commanding a big room with a clear sales goal. The Power of Systems (and Scripts): How following a tried-and-true framework can help conquer your fears and get real results, but why injecting personality and adapting is key. Failing to Sell Live: The painful story of a zero-sales webinar, what went wrong, and how feedback and constant tweaking turned a flop into an eventual success. Building Connection and Confidence: How Jeremy learned to bring personal stories, improv, and interactivity into every presentation. Secrets to Audience Engagement: From hand raises to “trial closes,” real-world tactics for keeping a crowd involved—even when you can’t see them through the blinding stage lights. The Book, the Podcast, and the Trifecta: Why Jeremy believes in having multiple platforms as a thought leader and how he uses each to land more stages and clients. Real Advice for Getting Started: Why embarrassment is part of the journey, why MVPs matter, and how every pedal stroke and every ripped pair of pants get you closer to your dream stage. If Jeremy’s story got you fired up (or left you checking your own pants before your next talk), here’s what you can do: Share Your First Stage Story – I want to hear from YOU! What was your most memorable first time on stage? Head to myfirststagepodcast.com and share your story. Connect with Jeremy – Check out Jeremy’s book and podcast at yourbusinessgrowthplaybook.com for more tips on growing your business and your confidence. Subscribe & Review – If you loved this episode, subscribe to My First Stage, leave a review, and let’s keep sharing these real behind-the-scenes journeys. Start Speaking, Start Failing – Seriously: pitch yourself for a local workshop or event, host a webinar, just get in the reps. Every “embarrassing” start is an investment in your future success. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. I can’t wait to bring you more raw, honest, and inspiring first stage stories right here on My First Stage! Timestamped Summaries [00:00-01:02] – I introduce Jeremy Shapiro and set the stage for his first-stage story—about being thrown into a sales presentation he wasn’t expecting (and most definitely wasn’t ready for). [01:04-03:28] – Jeremy describes his absolute reluctance to be on stage, the shock of having to cold call hundreds of prospects, and the blunt reality of a pre-pitch wardrobe disaster. [03:28-04:14] – What do you do when you rip your pants an hour before your first big speaking gig? Learn about Jeremy’s mad dash to a tailor and how the show had to go on. [04:14-06:37] – Breaking down the difference between teaching a workshop and selling from a stage—and why that mental shift tripped Jeremy up at first. [06:39-09:21] – Why selling from the stage is a different beast, and how bombing a live webinar taught Jeremy the value of iteration, constructive feedback, and refining your pitch. [09:33-10:40] – How switching from facts to stories, ditching the word-for-word script, and adding trial closes created a dramatic improvement in audience response and sales. [10:45-11:22] – The practical mechanics of trial closes: getting audiences to nod, say yes, and qualify themselves before the final pitch. [12:27-13:18] – In-person vs. online audiences, how body language can tell you everything, and what Jeremy learned from his wins and his losses. [13:37-14:17] – The power (and limits) of techniques like scarcity bonuses, fast-action offers, and social proof to get audiences to actually take action. [14:28-16:00] – How adding relevant, real, and recent stories instantly personalizes a presentation, breaks the fourth wall, and makes your audience lean in. [16:18-18:19] – The cringe-worthy mistake of forgetting to click “start meeting” on a webinar with hundreds of people waiting, and how leading with vulnerability set up a more successful second run. [19:30-20:31] – How Jeremy’s speaking career has evolved—facilitating small mastermind groups, commanding huge ballrooms, and loving every rep and every format. [21:00-22:07] – The differences in interacting with thousands vs. dozens, how to harness audience energy, and why panels and conversations are a sweet spot. [22:27-23:44] – Practical tactics for engaging big audiences you can’t see, from house light tricks to collective questions and building peer-to-peer connection. [24:26-28:35] – Why the “trifecta” of book, podcast, and stage matters, and how each platform feeds the next—by opening doors, boosting authority, and turning audience members into clients. [28:57-30:18] – Jeremy’s biggest advice: just start, embrace embarrassing failures, get the reps, and don’t try to perfect your way out of ever beginning. [31:02-31:27] – One pedal stroke at a time: how Jeremy’s cyclist mindset applies to pushing onward in public speaking and entrepreneurship.

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  Episode #20

  Overcoming First Stage Nerves: How Preparation and Connection Build Confident Speakers

  Jun 25, 202626 min

  Welcome back to My First Stage! Today I’m joined by Tim Newman—a recovering college professor turned communication coach and host of the Speaking with Confidence podcast. In this episode, Tim opens up about his very first (and very messy) speaking experience, how he overcame his nerves, and what it really took to start speaking with confidence. We talk about the long road from stage fright to the stage lights, practical steps for conquering filler words, the power of knowing your audience, and how understanding generational differences, especially with Gen Z, can transform your communication. What We Talked About The Messiest First Stage Ever: Tim Newman literally threw up during his first five-minute college presentation—and he’ll tell you why that wasn’t even the last time that happened! Getting Comfortable (Slowly): How going from terrified to teach in high school and college forced Tim Newman to find a framework for real confidence and audience connection. How to Actually Cut Out Filler Words: The “lightbulb” moment that made Tim Newman reimagine public speaking—and why preparation and knowing your audience is everything. Generational Communication Differences: Why Gen Z doesn’t want to be lectured, how to adapt for younger (or older) crowds, and what it means to facilitate real two-way connection. Making it Interactive: The power of hands-on exercises, small group discussions, and napkin-based elevator pitches—even in a digital world. The Best Advice from a Connector: Why taking massive imperfect action is the single most important thing for your speaking journey, and how building connections fuels both personal and professional growth. If Tim Newman’s story inspired you—or made you feel a little less alone in your own stage jitters—here’s what you can do next: Share Your Story – I want to hear about your own first stage moments, messy or triumphant! Head to myfirststagepodcast.com and drop me a note. Connect with Tim Newman – Get his free ebook, tune into Speaking with Confidence, or grab his book at timnewmanspeaks.com. Subscribe & Review – Enjoyed this episode? Subscribe to My First Stage, leave a review, and let me know your favorite guest or who you want to hear from next! Take Your First (or Next) Speaking Step – Whether it’s hosting a workshop, jumping on a podcast, or raising your hand at your next meeting, remember: confidence grows with action, not waiting. Thank you so much for being here. I can’t wait to bring you more real, relatable stories and game-changing advice on My First Stage! Timestamped Summaries [00:00-01:00] – I kick off the episode and introduce Tim Newman, who immediately admits his first speaking experiences were a little (okay, a LOT) messy. [01:00-02:41] – Tim Newman shares the infamous story of throwing up on stage in his very first college communications class. Spoiler: it wasn’t the last time, either! [03:00-04:47] – We talk about why stage fright never totally disappears, how Tim Newman moved from fear to purpose, and the slow, hard process of becoming comfortable on stage. [05:32-06:15] – The game-changing student question that led Tim Newman to create his signature framework for cutting filler words and transforming how he taught communication. [06:31-08:15] – Tim Newman breaks down his prep strategy: researching the audience, understanding conference attendees, and how he does deep dives on LinkedIn before every big talk. [08:16-10:41] – We dive into how to adapt for generational differences on stage—and why Gen Z wants interaction, engagement, and trust (not just another lecture). [10:54-14:46] – Tim Newman reflects on what it took to connect with Gen Z, from taking students out to lunch to turning class into real conversations and building trust through action. [14:58-15:57] – Practical tips for engagement: using emojis, breakout rooms, and micro-interactions to keep digital (and in-person) Gen Z audiences tuned in. [16:27-17:07] – Tim Newman reveals two favorite attention-getters for presentations: opening with a question or a joke, and the napkin exercise that sparks creativity and connection. [17:44-18:30] – The best reward for being a true connector: Tim Newman shares a heartwarming story of former students showing up years later to celebrate their friendship and growth. [18:50-20:30] – We discuss Tim Newman’s book on connections, what being a connector (and a climber) actually means, and why you don’t have to choose between helping others and growing yourself. [21:12-21:54] – The single biggest piece of advice: Take massive imperfect action. Don’t wait for the perfect moment to begin your speaking journey. [22:17-24:35] – We wrap up with Tim Newman’s perspective on cheerleading, the importance of surrounding yourself with challengers (not just “yes” people), and the key to continuous growth.

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