
Episode #4
Transforming Health: Power, Policy, and the Work of Institutional Change with Dr. Avenel Joseph
On this episode of Momentum: A Race Forward Podcast, Race Forward Board Member Dr. Aletha Maybank, CoFounder and Chief Executive Officer of Truthlight Studio, former Chief Health Equity Officer for the American Medical Association (AMA), sits down with Dr. Avenel Joseph, Vice President for Policy at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, for a conversation about what it takes to transform the systems and institutions that shape healthcare. Drawing from Dr. Joseph’s journey from scientific research to federal policymaking and philanthropy, they examine why evidence alone is not enough to produce change, how policy and institutional culture shape health outcomes, and why the narratives we tell about health, responsibility, and equity influence the solutions institutions are willing to pursue. Dr. Maybank and Dr. Joseph also examine the responsibilities of philanthropy and other powerful institutions, including the need to confront institutional history, learn from failure, and move beyond speaking for communities toward investing in their leadership and expertise. Their conversation explores RWJF’s own process of truth, repair, and transformation, the importance of joy and care for people doing systems-change work, and larger questions about community power, institutional accountability, and what it will take to create the conditions for everyone to thrive.






