
Episode #173
Alex Gruebele | Aluminum Cans Are Cathedrals We Walk Past
Alex Gruebele sees cathedrals where the rest of us see trash. Hand him an aluminum can and he will tell you it is one of the most engineered objects on the planet, made by a company whose other, less profitable line is building satellites. That is the whole man: relentlessly curious, a little obsessive, and unable to walk past anything manufactured without wanting to know how it was made. He grew up in Champaign-Urbana, studied mechanical engineering at Illinois, and earned a Stanford PhD building soft actuators and sensory skins for robots that work alongside humans. Then, almost by accident, a classmate's wild idea and a pandemic made him co-founder and CTO of Mesli, a fully autonomous restaurant he and two friends built and dropped onto a lot in San Francisco. It served about ten thousand grain bowls at better than ninety-nine percent uptime, with customers asking for a monthly meal plan. It also could not raise the money a hardware company needs in a software investor's world, and it closed while it was still winning. That failure is the hinge of the conversation, and Alex is refreshingly honest about it. Today he is president and co-founder of Tau9 Labs, a semi-bootstrapped Bay Area company that builds custom, AI-accelerated software for manufacturers of every size. He and Jim get into why every factory is a snowflake, why he took the leap into a business he could control after swearing off investors, and the parallel he draws between mountaineering and building a company: calculated risk, exposure a little at a time, and a willingness to be in over your head because that is where you grow. He is also the guy painting Halo miniatures at his desk and bartering for rocks with strangers in Morocco, and he will tell you the hobbies are the point, not a distraction from it. Key Takeaways Curiosity is the throughline. From soft robotics to mineral collecting to the engineering of a soda can, Alex treats the whole made world as something worth understanding, and it fuels the work. Being right isn't enough to survive. Mesli won on food, uptime, and repeat customers, but hardware economics and a software-hungry investor climate closed it anyway. Technical success and fundability are different games. Every factory is a snowflake. Rather than force a one-size product, Tau9 builds custom software per shop, because AI-accelerated development finally makes bespoke work profitable for both sides. Ask people about their hobbies. Alex screens for the person, not just the role. Someone who goes deep on things tends to do the same at work, and a shared hobby builds real trust with a customer. Risk is a muscle, like heights. He beat a fear of heights by exposure, one climb at a time, and he runs a company the same way: calculated risk, a little more each time, comfortable being in over his head. Chapters 00:00 Welcome and the ask 02:34 Icebreaker: a Ryan Gosling action-comedy 04:39 Culture as The Office 07:11 From central Illinois to mechanical engineering 09:47 How the robot restaurant began 13:20 The shipping container that almost fell on him 14:37 Serving 10,000 meals with a robot 17:04 Why a successful restaurant still had to close 21:32 Soul searching, and the road to Tau9 Labs 25:35 The demo that became the first custom build 26:51 Who he builds software for now 29:45 Being in over your head, and missing flights 32:02 Why he asks everyone about their hobbies 34:44 Halo dioramas and collecting minerals 37:33 Overcoming a fear of heights 40:09 What mountaineering and startups share 43:33 Aluminum cans are cathedrals 45:28 What makes him proud Find Alex LinkedIn: Alex Gruebele Tau9 Labs

