Imperfect Mens Club

Every man reaches a point where he stops and asks: what's next?The Imperfect Men's Club is a weekly podcast for men in transition. Men navigating midlife reinvention, identity collapse, divorce, career loss, or any season of life where the old answers stop working. Fathers. Founders. Men figuring out what's next.Hosted by fathers, founders, and advisors Mark Aylward and Jim Gurulé, every episode is built around the IMC Flywheel, a framework covering the Five Arenas of Life with Self-Awareness at the center: Worldview, Relationships, Money, Life's Work, and Well-Being. Progress or breakdown in one arena affects every other. That's the whole point.These are conversations about personal accountability, self-discipline, emotional maturity, limiting beliefs, and masculinity without posturing. The kind men avoid until something forces the conversation.No edits. No music. No commercials. No guests. Just two men with lived experience having the conversations that actually matter.The impe

Imperfect Mens Club is a education podcast hosted by Mark Aylward & Jim Gurule, with 169 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

Mark Aylward & Jim Gurule hosts Imperfect Mens Club, a education show with 169 episodes published.

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  Episode #38

  Self-Trust and the Blank Page

  Oct 1, 202634 minS5

  THE IMPERFECT MEN'S CLUB PODCAST Season 5, Episode 38: Self-Trust and the Blank Page Overview Jim hit send on a volunteer application two minutes before the deadline. It was for a two-year national committee seat with the National Kitchen and Bath Association, an unpaid role he was asked to apply for after four years of chapter service in Northern California. The form wanted degrees, accreditations, achievements, awards and a resume. Jim had not written a resume in 30 years. That deadline, and the mental wrestling match that came with it, kicks off this week's conversation about self-trust. Mark reads the episode's definition of self-trust: the quiet confidence that you can handle what comes, learn from your mistakes and act in line with your core values, even when nobody is validating you. From there, Mark and Jim use the IMC Flywheel to show how self-trust shows up in job searches, career transitions, online dating profiles, partnerships and marriages. Mark draws on decades of recruiting, including the time he found his brother a job in two weeks without a resume. Jim brings the view from someone who has been self-employed his whole life and suddenly has to explain himself on paper. The episode also covers values versus alignment, why bragging signals insecurity, how not having a college degree can become a story about overcoming anything, and the slow, quiet cost of staying in relationships and roles you have outgrown. Key Themes 1. Why Filling Out an Application Tests Your Self-Trust A blank page asks questions you cannot answer for sure. Who is reading this? How much detail is too much? Am I bragging or underselling? Mark calls it psychological warfare, and Jim admits he did not notice he was fighting it until Mark pointed it out. Jim compares describing yourself to cutting your own hair in a mirror. Everything is backwards and you have no perspective. Mark's point is simple. Even if you trust yourself, the moment you put something in front of someone who will judge you, the whole game changes. That goes for a committee seat, a job, a board role or a dating profile. 2. Need Versus Want: How Desperation Changes the Search Jim says it is not the end of the world if he does not get the seat. Mark takes that straight into the job market. Looking for a new job while you still have a paycheck is a very different conversation than looking because you have no job. If you trust yourself, either situation is manageable. If you do not, urgency, desperation and neediness take over. Mark shares how he handled candidates who wanted to play games at the offer stage. If you said anything above $120,000 works, he was accepting it on your behalf. He was not there to stroke anyone's ego. 3. Know Your Core Values Before You Talk About Alignment Mark pushes back on a habit he sees everywhere, including in himself. People jump to alignment without first naming their core values. What are you aligning with if you have not defined them? And values move. They shift with age, with goals and with circumstances. Jim makes it concrete. The committee seat fits where he wants to go over the next two years. The same decision would look completely different if he were 30 with a wife and two kids. 4. Self-Trust in the Moment Comes From Practice Most self-trust tests happen when you do not have time to think. Mark tells the story of an air show where his girlfriend was terrified by the noise. He got her away from it without stopping to decide what to do. He credits that reflex to years of kids breaking arms, needing stitches and every other emergency life throws at a single dad. Jim adds the contrast. An air show gives you no warning. An application gives you a deadline. He started a week early, still felt only 80 to 90 percent happy, and says the deadline finally got him to update information he had been putting off for two years. 5. Why Secure Men Do Not Brag, and Why Missing a Degree Can Be a Strength Jim used to be bothered by not having a college degree. Now he lists his contractor's license and certifications and lets results speak. Mark says it never mattered to him as a recruiter. He only wanted to know why. Told well, the story flips from "he does not have a degree" to "this guy can overcome anything." Mark notes that people who brag tend to be insecure, the way people who served in the military rarely talk about it. Jim connects the same pressure to online dating, which is just another application. Mark's daughters helped him fill out his profile after 10 years of not dating. They did not embellish a thing, because he did not care either way. His date was still surprised he was actually 6'4". 6. The Slow Drain of Misalignment and Giving Yourself Permission to Outgrow Misalignment is rarely explosive. It is a slow, chronic drain. Mark compares it to gaining weight. You do not notice it a day at a time, and then one morning you do. He admits he stayed in his marriage longer than he should have, and asks how many people stay in relationships simply because they are used to them. He also shares selling his company in the middle of his divorce. They did due diligence on the finances and none on the culture, and he quickly realized he did not see the world the way the buyers did. Trusting yourself, the hosts say, means giving yourself permission to outgrow people, spaces and structures that once worked. Walking away from a misaligned situation is not a failure of commitment. Why This Episode Matters If you are staring at a job application, a resume you have not touched in decades, a dating profile, or a life that stopped fitting a while ago, this episode is for you. A lot of men second-guess every line they write about themselves and wonder whether who they are even counts. Others have been sliding out of alignment so slowly they have not noticed yet. Mark and Jim name both problems plainly and show where self-trust actually comes from. This is why The Imperfect Men's Club exists. Honest conversations between two men who are not finished products, about the things most men avoid saying out loud. If this episode made you think of someone who is about to hit send on something that matters, share it with him. Listen, Subscribe and Review Apple Podcasts Spotify Website

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  Episode #37

  Self-Reality: Cleaning the Lens You See Your Life Through

  Sep 24, 202633 minS5

  Season 5, Episode 37: Self-Reality: Cleaning the Lens You See Your Life Through Overview In this episode of The Imperfect Men's Club, Mark and Jim take on self-reality: the internal framework of perceptions, beliefs, values, and assumptions a man uses to interpret the world and his own identity. It is the newest entry in what Jim calls the "library of selves," the series of self-hyphenated ideas that sit at the center of the IMC framework, starting with self-awareness. The conversation opens with a lesson Mark's father taught him about what a pilot does when an engine catches fire. Nothing, at first. He recalibrates, gets objective, and leans on his training, because letting fear make the call is how planes fall out of the sky. From there, the hosts look at how much of daily life runs on the subconscious, from breathing to the car that keeps driving to Mark's girlfriend's house when he meant to stop at the bank. Jim brings the idea to life with a story about handing a lens wipe to a 13-year-old at a local shop who insisted her screen was clean. It wasn't. Everyone looks through a lens, and most men never notice the fingerprints on theirs. Mark and Jim then walk through two scenarios, a rejected business proposal and a round of hard feedback from a friend, to contrast a limiting self-reality with an empowered one, and a defensive self-reality with a sovereign one. Mark shares how four siblings raised by the same parents split into two camps: those who own their choices and those who look for someone to blame. The episode closes on a story about Mark's uncle, his father, and a dirty apartment that may have kept a man sober for the rest of his life. For men working on personal accountability after a setback, rebuilding confidence, or starting over after 50, this is a practical look at the operating system running underneath every decision. Key Themes 1. What Self-Reality Is and How It Runs Your Life Without Asking Self-reality is the subjective universe a man builds, often without knowing it, that decides what he believes is possible, how he measures his worth, and how he reacts to what happens to him. Jim points out that 80 to 90 percent of our thoughts and actions happen below conscious awareness. He ties self-reality to the worldview spoke of the IMC Wheel of Life, which is shaped by childhood, the time and place we grew up, faith, and politics. Mark finds good news in that. If most of life runs on autopilot, the autopilot can be reprogrammed. He can't control much of what happens around him, but he can manage the voices in his own head, and so can anyone willing to do some simple, consistent work. 2. Cleaning the Lens: Why You Can't See What Distorts Your View Jim's story about Lacey, the shop owner's daughter who swore her screen was spotless, makes the point physical. Grime builds up slowly, and the person looking through the lens is the last to notice. Mark adds that his son regularly tosses him a wipe with a blunt review of how filthy his laptop screen is. Mark's takeaway is that sometimes a man needs someone else to look at his lens, because he is so busy looking through it that he never looks at it. Jim sharpens it: the other person doesn't fix your lens for you. They hand you the wipe. Cleaning it is still your job. 3. Rewriting Your Operating System Through Continuous Improvement The definition describes examining your self-reality as rewriting the operating system that governs your personal agency and boundaries. Mark connects this to his years recruiting software engineers and to the spiritual operating system program run by their friend Troy, which uses breathwork, meditation, and prayer to train the inner voices toward objectivity, hope, and consistency. Mark suggests the IMC framework is itself an operating system. When one of the five areas of life is off, it pulls on the other four. Jim reminds him the areas are never perfectly aligned, and both land on the same standard: continuous improvement, not perfection. 4. Limiting vs. Empowered Self-Reality After a Professional Setback Two entrepreneurs lose the same big proposal. One reads it as proof he isn't good enough and stops pitching. The other treats it as feedback, studies the gaps, and keeps his sense of worth intact. Jim ties this to the talk he gave at a college about going from cabinet maker to representing the National Kitchen and Bath Association. He hit setbacks, blamed no one, and kept pushing. Mark brings in the old story of the two wolves and notes that 99 out of 100 rejections have nothing personal in them. They just feel personal. He adds that a limiting self-reality kills risk-taking, and the best experiences of his life came from choosing discomfort and coming out the other side. 5. Defensive vs. Sovereign Self-Reality and the Choice to Stop Blaming When a friend offers hard feedback, a defensive self-reality treats it as a threat to self-worth. A sovereign self-reality, a term drawn from Carl Jung's work, separates identity from the thing being critiqued and pulls out what's useful. Jim notes that defensiveness is the default, especially for men with low self-worth who will protect their ego even when it isn't logical. Mark describes two siblings who live by "no one's coming" and two who spend their energy looking for someone or something to blame. Both hosts share their view that addiction is ultimately a decision, while acknowledging people still need help. Mark closes with his father refusing to clean up his uncle's apartment before bringing him home from rehab: "I want him to see how he was living." Jim calls it the difference between nice and kind. Why This Episode Matters A lot of men treat every setback as a verdict on who they are. The lost deal means they're not good enough. The honest feedback feels like an attack. The divorce or the job loss becomes a story about someone else's fault. They don't see the lens they're looking through, so they assume what they see is simply the truth. This episode gives that man a way to notice the lens, question it, and decide what he wants to believe instead. That is why The Imperfect Men's Club exists: to give men honest conversations about the inner work nobody hands them a manual for. If you know a man who keeps taking every rejection personally, or who is stuck blaming the people and circumstances around him, send him this episode. It might be the wipe he needs. Listen, Subscribe and Review Apple Podcasts Spotify Website

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  Episode #36

  Self-Help Doesn't Mean No Help

  Sep 17, 202628 minS5

  Season 5, Episode 36: Self-Help Doesn't Mean No Help Overview This episode of The Imperfect Men's Club takes on self-help directly, starting with three definitions Jim pulls from his own research and working through what each one gets right and wrong. Mark and Jim use the conversation to separate real self-help, defined as taking personal responsibility for your own growth, from the more common misreading of it as never asking anyone for anything. Jim opens with a story about his hairstylist, a single mother working two jobs for healthcare coverage while raising a teenage daughter, who finally admits she isn't okay after years of never complaining, and the specific way Jim offers her a perspective rather than advice. The conversation moves into asking for help as its own skill, one most men avoid because they mistake it for dependence. Mark draws on three decades in recruiting and career placement to explain why vague requests for help go nowhere and specific, reciprocal ones work, using a story from his first placement about learning to ask for referrals the right way. From there the episode turns to parenting, with Mark's memory of his father refusing to break up a driveway fight between his older brother and a bigger kid, and both hosts unpacking what happens to a man's self-reliance when a parent removes every hard moment before he can work through it himself. The back half covers frameworks, peer support groups, and where professional help like therapy becomes useful versus where it turns into a crutch. Mark and Jim connect all of it back to the IMC Flywheel and the five areas of life, making the case that self-help was never about going it alone, it's about taking the initiative to seek out other people's wisdom instead of waiting for an institution to hand you an answer. Anchored in real stories about identity, personal accountability, and men navigating transition, this episode gives listeners a working definition of self-help they can actually use. Key Themes 1. Real Self-Help Is Effort, Not Isolation Jim reads three definitions of self-help he researched ahead of the episode, and Mark and Jim use them to draw a hard line between self-help as self-directed effort and the popular idea that it means refusing all outside input. Mark states it plainly: self-help doesn't mean you're 100% on your own, it means you take the initiative to go seek out the help, the wisdom, and the resources yourself instead of waiting for them to arrive. Both hosts agree the confusion comes from treating self-help and total self-sufficiency as the same thing. Mark points to the current political and cultural divide he sees between people who want government or institutions to solve their problems and people determined to "figure all this shit out" alone, and argues the healthiest position sits between those two extremes. 2. Asking for Help Is a Skill Most Men Never Learn Jim's story about his hairstylist, a single mother working two jobs who finally breaks down and admits she isn't okay, becomes the episode's clearest example of what it costs to never ask for help. Jim doesn't give her advice, he offers a perspective, tells her to take two nights alone before making any decision, and offers to pay for the hotel. She takes the perspective, books it herself, and later refuses his money, which Jim reads as her holding onto her own dignity even while accepting his help. Mark connects this to thirty years of watching people try and fail to ask for help in his recruiting career, arguing the ask has to be specific and built on reciprocity to work. He tells the story of learning to request referrals early in his placement career, using the line "I just lost my best applicant, who else do you know that I should be talking to," and frames it as proof that a well-made ask helps both people, not just the one asking. 3. Let Him Finish the Fight: Overprotection Blocks Self-Reliance Mark tells the story of standing at the front window with his father watching his older brother get into a driveway fight with a bigger, older kid, and his father's decision to let it play out instead of stepping in. Mark ties that single choice directly to his brother later becoming a fighter pilot and commercial airline pilot, arguing that letting a kid take care of himself in a low-stakes fight builds the self-reliance that follows him for life. Jim adds that stepping in would have taught a different, more damaging lesson: that someone will always show up to rescue you, which isn't how life works. Both hosts land on the idea that a father's role leans toward letting a kid finish the fight, while a mother's role is there for after, cleaning the cut once the game is over, and a man needs both to develop real self-reliance instead of learned helplessness. 4. Frameworks, Peer Groups, and Where Professional Help Becomes a Crutch Jim credits podcasts, books, and named frameworks and philosophies, citing his current interest in Carl Jung and Stoicism, as tools that let a man learn at his own pace instead of depending entirely on a paid professional. Mark agrees frameworks add structure and simplify complexity, crediting Jim with deepening his own use of them, and both hosts point to the IMC Flywheel itself as an example of a framework built from borrowed wisdom applied to real life. The conversation also names where this tips over: Mark argues therapy can become a crutch when it turns into someone walking in and saying "fix me" instead of doing the work, and Jim agrees dependence is the risk. They close the theme on support groups and peer networks, with Mark referencing a networking group he's considering joining, framing participation in a peer group as still an act of self-help because it requires taking the initiative to show up and contribute, not just receive. Why This Episode Matters Plenty of men stall out because they've confused self-reliance with never needing anyone, and it leaves them isolated exactly when they need a perspective most. Whether it's a man rebuilding after a divorce, a father unsure whether to let his kid struggle, or someone who equates therapy or asking for a referral with weakness, this episode names that confusion directly and gives listeners a clearer, more useful definition of what self-help actually requires. This is the exact tension The Imperfect Men's Club exists to work through: growth doesn't happen by pretending to be a finished product or by refusing every hand offered, it happens through honest conversation, real accountability, and the willingness to ask for help the right way. If this episode names something you've been circling yourself, share it with a friend who needs to hear it too. Listen, Subscribe and Review Apple Podcasts Spotify Website

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  Episode #35

  Self-Understanding. Knowing Why You React the Way You Do

  Sep 10, 202636 minS5

  Season 5, Episode 35: Self-Understanding: Knowing Why You React the Way You Do Overview Mark and Jim open Episode 35 by drawing a hard line between self-awareness and self-understanding. Self-awareness, they argue, is noticing what is happening in the moment. Self-understanding is figuring out why it happens, and why it keeps happening. Jim frames the episode as a continuation of last week's conversation on self-evaluation, and grounds it with a Carl Jung line about the parts of yourself you once tried to hide losing their power over you once you actually understand them. The conversation moves through the five dimensions of self-understanding Jim researched ahead of the episode: motive and driver recognition, emotional literacy and trigger mapping, shadow and blind spot integration, value clarity, and cognitive and behavioral patterns. Mark grounds each one in a real example, including a recent moment where his girlfriend's frustration triggered a reaction rooted in his 16-year marriage, and an old story about his mother's hidden insecurity that he chose not to inherit. The episode also digs into social conditioning, media, and how a man's environment shapes his default reactions long before he ever stops to examine them. It closes on value clarity and behavioral patterns, including the idea that a repeated mistake stops being a mistake and becomes a decision. This is a conversation about accountability, emotional triggers, and identity after a hard relationship, built for men navigating starting over at any stage of life. Key Themes 1. Self-Awareness Tells You What Is Happening, Self-Understanding Tells You Why Jim opens the framework by separating self-awareness from self-understanding. Self-awareness is noticing a pattern in the moment. Self-understanding is connecting the dots to explain why that pattern exists in the first place. Mark pushes back a little here, admitting that in his own experience the why can become a rabbit hole. He argues that therapy culture has tipped into overanalyzing everything, and that sometimes acceptance of what is, without a fully mapped explanation, is the healthier move. This tension between digging for the why and simply accepting the what runs underneath the entire episode. It sets up the five dimensions that follow, each of which asks a man to look a little closer at his own wiring without turning that look into an excuse to stall. 2. The Five Core Dimensions of Self-Understanding Mark walks through the five dimensions Jim laid out before the show: motive and driver recognition (what truly compels your actions versus what you do to protect status or meet expectations), emotional literacy and trigger mapping (why certain moments provoke outsized reactions), shadow and blind spot integration (the uncomfortable parts of yourself you'd rather project onto other people), value clarity (knowing your non-negotiable principles instead of borrowing someone else's), and cognitive and behavioral patterns (the habitual loops that either serve you or quietly run your life). Each dimension gets its own real example from Mark or Jim's life over the course of the episode, which keeps the framework from staying abstract. The five together form a working checklist for anyone trying to move past surface-level self-awareness. 3. Recognizing Your Triggers Before They Run the Show Mark shares a moment from the previous weekend when his girlfriend was sighing and upset, and it triggered an outsized reaction in him tied directly to his 16-year relationship, where he says he spent years walking on eggshells. Instead of reacting on autopilot, he named the trigger out loud to her and told her it likely had nothing to do with her. She thanked him for the context, and both of them understood the moment better because of it. Jim connects this back to his own habit of taking solo drives or trips to get distance from a triggering environment before responding to it. Both agree that recognizing a trigger and creating even a small pause before reacting to it accounts for most of the work of emotional self-understanding. 4. Blind Spots and Borrowed Beliefs Jim admits to a recent blind spot of his own: an email exchange where someone's honest, polite pushback stung because he had only been thinking about his own side of the interaction. He connects this to the shadow and blind spot dimension, arguing that most people interact from a place of self-protection built on old, sometimes invented, perceived threats rather than present reality. The conversation shifts to value clarity, where Mark makes the case that most people never actually define their non-negotiable core principles, which is exactly why borrowed beliefs, someone else's opinion picked up secondhand, end up filling the gap. Without a defined target, alignment becomes guesswork. 5. Patterns Aren't Mistakes the Second Time, They're Decisions Jim shares a line that reframes the entire conversation on cognitive and behavioral patterns: the first mistake is a mistake, but the second time you make it, it's a decision. Mark connects this to his years in recruiting, where candidates would blame every prior boss for being toxic without ever examining their own pattern, and to a lighter story about getting away with warnings from cops while his ex-wife racked up a fine for escalating the same encounter. The takeaway both land on is that a repeated pattern is information. Once you can see the pattern, continuing to repeat it stops being bad luck and starts being a choice. Why This Episode Matters A lot of men know something is off in how they react to a partner, a boss, or a stranger, but they never trace the reaction back to where it actually started. They repeat the same relationship dynamics, blame the same category of bad boss, or let an old wound decide how they respond to something happening right now. That gap between noticing a reaction and understanding its source is where a lot of avoidable damage gets done, in relationships and at work. This is exactly the gap The Imperfect Men's Club exists to close. Mark and Jim aren't offering therapy, they're offering a framework and their own unfiltered examples so other men can start asking the same questions about their own patterns. If this episode gets a man to name one trigger or one borrowed belief he's been carrying around, share it with him. Listen, Subscribe and Review Apple Podcasts Spotify Website

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  Episode #34

  Self-Evaluation Without Self-Inventory Is Just Self-Judgment

  Sep 3, 202635 minS5

  Season 5, Episode 34: Self-Evaluation Without Self-Inventory Is Just Self-Judgment Overview This episode of The Imperfect Men's Club Podcast tackles a distinction most men never make: the difference between self-evaluation and self-inventory. Mark and Jim open by defining both terms directly, then spend the episode showing what happens when a man skips inventory and jumps straight to judgment, of himself or of someone else. Jim anchors the conversation in two real moments from his week. First, hosting a gala for the Northern California chapter of the National Kitchen and Bath Association, a full-circle moment thirty-five years after he first walked into that same building through the back door making a cabinet delivery. Second, a return trip to Santa Barbara, where a tense run-in with a parking attendant became something else entirely once Jim chose to have a conversation instead of carrying a grudge from a past bad experience with a different attendant. Mark and Jim connect these stories to the mechanics of personal accountability, identity after career transition, and how the standards a man holds himself to determine how he reacts to everyone around him. The conversation closes on Rapid Resolution Therapy and the subconscious patterns that sit underneath behavior, and how an inventory of relationships and trust, built over years, still carries value long after the fact. Key Themes 1. Self-Evaluation Versus Self-Inventory: Why Men Confuse the Two Mark reads both definitions directly: self-evaluation is judging your actions against a standard or goal, while self-inventory is a factual, non-judgmental cataloging of behaviors, habits, and time spent. Mark and Jim agree that most men jump straight to evaluation, which means judgment, before they have ever taken an honest inventory of what actually happened. 2. The Five Areas of a Man's Life and Why Self-Awareness Sits at the Center Jim runs through the framework the two of them built five years ago: relationships with others, relationship with the world, relationship with self, physical and mental health, money, and life's work, what Jim once called profession and now calls his life's work. Every one of those areas, Jim says, only works if a man starts with self-awareness first. 3. A Parking Lot in Santa Barbara: Choosing a Conversation Over a Grudge Jim tells the story of walking up to a parking attendant, not to complain, but to give her the context of a bad experience with a different attendant months earlier so he would not project it onto her. What started as a conversation held a quarter of a window's width open turned into a twenty minute exchange, and Jim ties the entire outcome back to choosing self-inventory over assumption before he ever opened his mouth. 4. Holding a Standard Without Making It Everyone Else's Problem Jim and Mark talk through what it means to hold a personal standard, when to walk away from a relationship that consistently falls below it, and when the harder, kinder move is to say something directly instead. Both agree that being nice by staying silent is not the same as being kind, and that communicating a standard is a responsibility, not an accusation. 5. Rapid Resolution Therapy and the Patterns Behind a Behavior Mark closes the episode by drawing a line between a single behavior and the pattern behind it, using his raised voice as an example of a moment worth examining rather than excusing. He connects this directly to Rapid Resolution Therapy, the practice that originally brought him and Jim together, and to the years of built trust and relationship inventory that still carry value long after the fact. Why This Episode Matters Most men either avoid looking at their own behavior entirely or they look at it and immediately pile on judgment, calling it self-evaluation when it is really just self-criticism without any data behind it. That habit makes real change harder, not easier, because a man ends up reacting to a feeling instead of a pattern, and repeating the same conflict with different people instead of examining what he is putting out into the world. The Imperfect Men's Club exists for conversations like this one, where two men in their forties and sixties talk through identity, accountability, and personal growth without pretending they have it figured out. If this episode gave you a way to separate the facts of your week from the judgment you are quick to attach to them, share it with a man who needs the same distinction. Listen, Subscribe and Review Apple Podcasts Spotify Website

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