
On today’s episode of How did it make sense I am joined by Nathalie Lasselin, a filmmaker, technical diver, explorer, and someone who dives where most people wouldn’t even go looking. Nathalie’s story starts with an...


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Hosted by Gareth Lock · education · EN
'How did it make sense?' explores the local rationality of those involved in doing what they did. Each podcast lasts about 45 mins and aims to follow a similar format. Initially, we will look at the 'first story' which is normally scant in details and triggers an emotional response, and then we will look at the 'second story' that looks at the goal conflicts, the ambiguities, the assumptions, the tensions, and the trade-offs that led to those involved doing what they did. This context-rich story is the one that learning opportunities come from, not focusing on the counterfactuals that often arise from 'first stories'. The goal is to encourage you to look deeper at the socio-technical system presented by the guests and how we can make improvements by abstracting from the multiple domains discussed in the podcast to the our own domains.
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Signup to Generate a Pitch'How did it make sense?' explores the local rationality of those involved in doing what they did. Each podcast lasts about 45 mins and aims to follow a similar format.
How did it make sense? is hosted by Gareth Lock. The show has published 28 episodes to date.
Recent episodes include "Ep 28: Nathalie Lasselin - “You were nearly hit by a tug. They didn’t see us.”" (23 January 2026, 50 minutes), "Ep 27. Steve Smith - “How could you have tied the wrong anchor knot?”" (16 January 2026, 54 minutes), and "Ep 26. Sabine Fürst - "She's just a midwife"" (18 July 2025, 42 minutes).
How did it make sense? publishes roughly weekly, with episodes averaging 44 minutes across 28 episodes.
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Gareth Lock hosts How did it make sense?, an education podcast with 28 episodes published.
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On today’s episode of How did it make sense I am joined by Nathalie Lasselin, a filmmaker, technical diver, explorer, and someone who dives where most people wouldn’t even go looking. Nathalie’s story starts with an...

Today on How Did It Make Sense? I’m joined by Steve Smith, a kindred spirit and expert in outdoor education and safety. Steve has spent decades in the outdoor education and safety world, worked across wilderness...

How did it make sense?
In this episode, I’m joined by Sabine, a former midwife and flight attendant turned consultant, as we explore the hidden human factors at play in healthcare, specifically in the labour ward. Sabine’s research shines a...
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In this powerful episode of How Did It Make Sense? , I speak with Justin Featherstone MC leadership consultant, former Army officer, and mountaineer. Justin shares an extraordinary account of survival after being...
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In this episode of How Did It Make Sense? I sit down with Chris Davies, co-founder of Volaria Performance, to dig deeper into the idea of blaming up versus blaming down . Chris shares a story from his military aviation...
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In this episode of How Did It Make Sense? , I speak with Aaron Potash about a tragic diving incident in Monterey. A struggling student, a distressed instructor, and a beach full of bystanders—why did no one step in...
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When your airway kit gets vomited on mid-procedure, things get a whole lot harder—especially in a high-stakes, high-pressure medical emergency. In today’s episode on How Did It Make Sense, I’m joined by Eoin Walker from...
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When a big organisation acquires a small, thriving SME, it should be a perfect match—right? Not always. In this week's episode of How Did it Make Sense, I sit down with Ann Stow, Chartered Psychologist and founder of...
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"If only they'd followed the rules"—a phrase we hear all too often in health and safety. But what if the story isn't that simple? In this episode of How Did It Make Sense? , I chat with safety expert Stephen Harvey to...

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If we don’t test all the code, entire global systems can go down—and it’s not as simple as it seems. In this episode I speak with Colette Alexander, Director of Site Reliability Engineering at HashiCorp, about software...

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Learn how engineers and leaders turn breakdowns into breakthroughs to foster learning, resilience, and innovation. Today I am joined by Chad Todd a seasoned SRE Manager at CrowdStrike with over 20 years of experience in...

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In this episode, I chat to Human Organizational Performance Manager James Newman. James dives into a memorable story from his days in the nuclear industry, where a seemingly simple task—replacing O-rings during a...

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In this episode, I am joined by Becky Ray, founder of Culture Kick, to explore how context, culture, and unseen dynamics lead to decisions that might, on the surface, seem irrational. Becky shares a gripping story of a...

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In this episode, I explore a striking story with Andy Barker, a strategic leader with decades of global experience. Together, they examine a workplace incident where quick judgments labelled an action as “stupid”—a...

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In this episode of How Did It Make Sense? , we explore the deeper story behind a scaffolder’s dismissal for violating fall protection rules near an active edge. While the surface narrative suggests a simple case of...
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award-winning filmmaker and Women Divers Hall of Fame member, Aquanath
President, Founder, Business and Executive Coach, Management Team Trainer, University of Oxford’s Smith School of Enterprise and the Environment
former military officer, Effective Direction
former Lib Dem MP for Saddleworth and former MEP for the North West, Canadian Apartment Advisors
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