You’re leading people through constant change. Evolving expectations, AI disruption, and rising pressure to get culture and performance right. If you’re an HR leader, People and Culture executive, or senior business leader shaping the future of work, foHRsight is for you. foHRsight: HR, Leadership & the Future of Work is a weekly podcast from future foHRward, hosted by Mark Edgar and Naomi Titleman Colla. Each episode explores the most pressing issues facing HR and leadership today, including employee engagement, retention, flexible work, leadership effectiveness, and the real impact of AI on organizations. Through candid conversations with CHROs, senior leaders, and forward-thinking experts, foHRsight delivers practical insight and strategic perspective you can apply immediately. The goal is simple: help you make better people decisions, build stronger organizations, and lead with confidence in an increasingly complex world of work. Follow foHRsight on your favourite podcast platform and join the future foHRward community, a growing network of HR and People leaders connecting through conversation, events, and shared insight on what’s next for work.
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Episode #190
Why Low Turnover Can Hide a Retention Problem with Amy Stewart and Ruth Thomas
Sep 2, 202634 min
Your turnover numbers might look reassuring. That doesn’t necessarily mean your people want to stay. The current labour market has created what PayScale calls a “job-hugging” era : employees are changing jobs less frequently, but economic uncertainty, slow hiring and anxiety about AI may be keeping people in roles they are no longer particularly happy in. As Amy Stewart puts it, some employees are holding onto their jobs “like you’re hugging a cactus.” That creates a difficult challenge for HR. Low attrition can look like stability while masking disengagement, pay frustration and employees quietly preparing themselves for their next opportunity. In this episode of foHRsight , Naomi talks with PayScale’s Ruth Thomas and Amy Stewart about what the latest compensation and flight-risk data tells us about where organizations may be vulnerable. They explore why new hires can sometimes out-earn longer-tenured employees, why perceived pay fairness can matter as much as actual market competitiveness, and why pay transparency makes it increasingly important for organizations to explain not just what people are paid, but why . The conversation also looks at some less obvious signs of flight risk, from employees seeking bigger titles to acquiring certifications and new skills, and why this slower labour market may actually be the right moment to examine job architecture, internal equity and where your retention dollars will matter most. For HR leaders, the takeaway is simple: don’t wait for resignations to tell you where the risk is. About Our Guests Ruth Thomas is PayScale’s Chief Compensation Strategist and SVP of Marketing, with decades of experience studying compensation, labour-market trends and the evolution of rewards strategy. Her perspective helps connect today’s pay pressures with the broader changes reshaping how organizations attract and retain talent. Amy Stewart is a manager on PayScale’s content and research team and one of the lead authors of its 2026 Flight Risk Report. Her work draws on PayScale’s proprietary compensation data to identify where organizations may be most exposed to attrition and pay-related retention risk. Stay Connected with foHRsight To sign up for our monthly newsletter, foHRsight, click HERE Follow us on LinkedIn: Mark Edgar Naomi Titleman Colla future foHRward Follow us on Instagram If you are looking for more foHRsight, sign up for our monthly foHRsight newsletter. It’s free and includes access to our quarterly white paper. This quarter’s white paper is about Rethinking Entry-Level work in the Age of AI, produced with Dr. Miranda Rodak from Indiana University’s Kelley school of business - an important topic for HR, Leadership and parents, students and society as a whole! https://www.futurefohrward.com/subscribe If you are looking for more foHRsight, sign up for our monthly foHRsight newsletter. It’s free and includes access to our quarterly white paper. This quarter’s white paper is about Rethinking Entry-Level work in the Age of AI, produced with Dr. Miranda Rodak from Indiana University’s Kelley school of business - an important topic for HR, Leadership and parents, students and society as a whole! https://www.futurefohrward.com/subscribe Support the show
Why CHROs Belong in the Boardroom with Suzan Morno-Wade & Harriet Harty
Aug 19, 202632 min
Boards are making decisions about AI, transformation, succession, culture and growth. But how often does the person with the deepest understanding of the workforce have a seat at the table? In this episode of foHRsight, Naomi is joined by former CHROs Suzan Morno-Wade and Harriet Harty to explore why HR leaders remain significantly underrepresented on corporate boards, and why that gap matters more as organizations navigate increasingly complex workforce decisions. The conversation challenges some persistent assumptions about what CHROs bring to the boardroom. Strong HR leaders aren't simply experts in people programs. They understand organizational performance, leadership capability, succession, culture and enterprise risk. They know how to influence without owning the decision, ask discerning questions and connect talent decisions back to business strategy. And as AI reshapes work, that perspective becomes even more important. Technology decisions are also workforce decisions. Suzan and Harriet make the case for HR leaders to position those conversations in the language of strategy, risk, opportunity, financial analysis and measurable business outcomes. For CHROs who see board service in their future, there's also a practical message: don't wait until you leave the operating role to start preparing. Building board experience, relationships and a board-ready profile takes time. About Our guests Suzan Morno-Wade is a former CHRO of Xerox whose career has spanned finance, human resources and enterprise leadership. Today, she advises organizations, serves on boards and supports greater representation in the C-suite and boardroom. Harriet Harty has held multiple executive HR roles, most recently serving as Chief Administrative Officer at ADT. She now works across advisory, board and executive coaching roles, bringing extensive experience in business transformation, talent and leadership. Stay Connected with foHRsight To sign up for our monthly newsletter, foHRsight, click HERE Follow us on LinkedIn: Mark Edgar Naomi Titleman Colla future foHRward Follow us on Instagram If you are looking for more foHRsight, sign up for our monthly foHRsight newsletter. It’s free and includes access to our quarterly white paper. This quarter’s white paper is about Rethinking Entry-Level work in the Age of AI, produced with Dr. Miranda Rodak from Indiana University’s Kelley school of business - an important topic for HR, Leadership and parents, students and society as a whole! https://www.futurefohrward.com/subscribe Support the show
If you are looking for more foHRsight, sign up for our monthly foHRsight newsletter. It’s free and includes access to our quarterly white paper. This quarter’s white paper is about Rethinking Entry-Level work in the Age of AI, produced with Dr. Miranda Rodak from Indiana University’s Kelley school of business - an important topic for HR, Leadership and parents, students and society as a whole! https://www.futurefohrward.com/subscribe Support the show
Why AI Adoption Is a Leadership Challenge, Not a Technology Challenge with Paul Gibbons
Jul 29, 202636 min
Most organizations aren't struggling with AI because of the technology. They're struggling because people don't change as quickly as the tools do. As leaders race to implement AI, many are relying on change management approaches that were designed for a slower, more predictable world. But when change is constant, communication plans and training sessions aren't enough. Real transformation happens when leaders understand how people actually adopt new ways of working. In this episode, Naomi sits down with organizational change expert and author Paul Gibbons to explore why traditional change management needs an update for the age of AI. Together, they unpack why leadership modelling matters more than ever, how HR can navigate the "double bind" of transforming itself while helping the rest of the organization evolve, and why behavioural science—not technology—is the missing ingredient in successful AI adoption. Whether you're leading an AI initiative, supporting organizational change, or simply trying to help your people adapt to a rapidly changing workplace, this conversation offers a thoughtful, practical perspective on leading transformation with both confidence and humanity. About Paul Gibbons Paul Gibbons is a consultant, speaker, and author focused on change, culture, and AI adoption. He is the creator of the Adaptive Adoption Framework and has authored nine books, including Adopting AI , written for leaders who need a practical strategy. He was ranked among the top five culture change thinkers globally by Global Gurus. Find Paul: Website: Paul Gibbons Advisory Slack community: Think Bigger Think Better Stay Connected with foHRsight To sign up for our monthly newsletter, foHRsight, click HERE Follow us on LinkedIn: Mark Edgar Naomi Titleman Colla future foHRward Follow us on Instagram If you are looking for more foHRsight, sign up for our monthly foHRsight newsletter. It’s free and includes access to our quarterly white paper. This quarter’s white paper is about Rethinking Entry-Level work in the Age of AI, produced with Dr. Miranda Rodak from Indiana University’s Kelley school of business - an important topic for HR, Leadership and parents, students and society as a whole! https://www.futurefohrward.com/subscribe Support the show
What AI Can't Replace in HR Leadership with Karen Trenton
Jul 22, 202626 min
Every generation of HR leaders faces a transformation that changes how the profession works. Today, it's AI. The pressure to move quickly can make it feel like everything is changing overnight. But beneath the new technology, the core of great HR remains remarkably consistent: earning trust, exercising sound judgment, navigating difficult conversations, and helping leaders make better decisions. In this conversation, retired CHRO Karen Trenton reflects on a career that spanned enormous shifts in technology, leadership and organizational change. She shares what she's most proud of, the career decisions she would make differently, why community matters more than ever, and why emotional intelligence—not technical expertise—is still what separates exceptional HR leaders. If you've been wondering what skills will matter most in the next decade of HR, this episode offers a thoughtful perspective from someone who's led through decades of transformation. About Our Guest Karen Trenton is a retired Chief Human Resources Officer with executive leadership experience across Coca-Cola and Sherritt International. Having led HR through periods of rapid organizational growth, global expansion and technological change, she brings a grounded perspective on leadership, judgment and the enduring human side of HR. Stay Connected with foHRsight To sign up for our monthly newsletter, foHRsight, click HERE Follow us on LinkedIn: Mark Edgar Naomi Titleman Colla future foHRward Follow us on Instagram If you are looking for more foHRsight, sign up for our monthly foHRsight newsletter. It’s free and includes access to our quarterly white paper. This quarter’s white paper is about Rethinking Entry-Level work in the Age of AI, produced with Dr. Miranda Rodak from Indiana University’s Kelley school of business - an important topic for HR, Leadership and parents, students and society as a whole! https://www.futurefohrward.com/subscribe Support the show
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