
Episode #31
DN #31: Agentic TPM, Temporal Knowledge Graphs & The Job AI Can't Replace (w/ Jake Kim)
"People think TPM is gonna be the job that gets replaced first. In reality, it's gonna be the hardest thing to replace." I talk to Jake Kim, founder of Serro AI, about agentic technical program management and why the horizontal coordination role everyone expects AI to kill first is actually the one it can't. Jake was an engineering manager at Apple, where his team's software sat on the critical path to every iPhone and iPad launch, and where he watched world-class TPMs hold the whole machine together. We get into the temporal knowledge graphs that give AI agents organizational memory, the client with 2 TPMs, 300 people, and 75 recurring reports, the R&D tax documentation wedge that pays for the product on day one, and the founder lesson Jake learned right before running out of money. In this episode: - The Job AI Can't Replace: Why vertical agents (coding, design, product) make the horizontal coordinator more essential, not less. - Agentic TPM: Technical program management, not manager. Extending human TPMs' reach to the agents downstream. - Temporal Knowledge Graphs: Why programs need a memory of decisions, tradeoffs, and dependencies over time, not just a snapshot. - 2 TPMs, 300 People, 75 Reports: The middle-management squeeze nobody's tooling has touched. - The R&D Tax Wedge: The audit-ready documentation report worth millions in credits that gets Serro in the enterprise door. - Per-Program Pricing: Why Serro charges $100 per tracked program with unlimited seats, and what that alignment does in enterprise sales. - Don't Be Shy About Your Vision: The lesson Jake learned right before running out of money, and why humble framing nearly killed the company. - Advice for TPMs: Why the role should feel confident, not threatened, and how to extend your influence to the agent layer. Full episode on all podcast platforms Is middle management really the hardest thing for AI to replace, or the first to go? Let us know in the comments! Please like and subscribe! Every subscriber helps our channel grow. #DN #AgenticTPM #KnowledgeGraphs #JakeKim #SerroAI #AIAgents #EngineeringManagement #EnterpriseAI #Startups #TPM Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:15 What agentic TPM actually is 1:37 From Apple engineering manager to founder 3:12 Why AI employees haven't worked so far 4:46 Why agentic TPM is technically hard (programs vs projects) 8:22 Integrating with the company's tools 9:21 2 TPMs, 300 people, 75 recurring reports 13:15 Temporal knowledge graphs explained 14:28 How the product works: Gantt charts, drift alerts, MCP 16:00 Two years of pivots and what they taught him 17:50 The vision lesson: don't be shy right before running out of money 19:44 The R&D tax documentation wedge (and PwC) 22:38 Per-program pricing and the death-of-SaaS question 25:58 Why not just be a knowledge graph company? 27:54 The AI-native org two to three years

