Do Human Work

Do Human Work is a forward-looking exploration of the future of cybersecurity through the lens of AI with an emphasis on enabling people to do work that’s creative, meaningful, and strategic. Each episode highlights people, their time, and how AI can empower us to focus on what matters most in cybersecurity operations.

Do Human Work is a technology podcast hosted by 7AI, with 20 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

7AI hosts Do Human Work, a technology show with 20 episodes published.

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  Episode #21

  What Deserves to Survive in Security featuring Ray Espinoza

  Sep 28, 202633 minS2

  Ray Espinoza cut false positives 80% at Workday and alert volume 70% at Atmosera, fighting alert fatigue years before the industry had a name for it. Now leading information security at Elite Technology, after building eBay's first global security event response team and Workday's first customer-facing SOC, he argues that AI has finally caught up to that fight. Nate Burke and Lior Div catch him at Black Hat 2026, where the conversation swings into the Hugging Face sandbox scare and open-weight models handing nation-state capability to any threat actor with a laptop. Impactful Moments 00:00 - Introduction 02:25 - Meet Ray Espinoza: CISO, Coach, Mentor 04:05 - From Keeping eBay Alive to Defending It 05:55 - The Parallels Between Coaching Football and Running Security 09:50 - What Hasn't Changed Since the Dot Com Days 13:20 - Inside the Hugging Face Incident and Sandbox Escapes 18:20 - "This Has to Be the Worst Version of Myself Here Today" 20:45 - The Alert Fatigue Lesson: Why Turning Everything On Backfired 23:45 - From Pyramid to Loop: Building Self-Improving Security 25:50 - Is AI Finally the Weapon That Ends Alert Fatigue? 27:10 - What Should Stay Human, No Matter How Good AI Gets 28:40 - The Magic Wand Question: More Time in the Pacific Northwest 29:45 - Ray's Cybersecurity Bucket List Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

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  Episode #20

  Fifteen Months Away: What Stepping Back Teaches Leaders featuring Matt Sharp

  Aug 25, 202627 minS2

  Matt Sharp walked away from cybersecurity for fifteen months, hiked the Camino, trekked to Everest Base Camp, and came back to an industry that had rewritten itself while he was gone. Now CISO at Xactly, co-author of The CISO Evolution, and a top 20 finalist for TIME's CISO of the Year, he argues the gap in security leadership was never technical skill. It was the ability to read a financial statement. Recorded on location at Black Hat with Nate Burke and Lior Div, the conversation also turns to China's open-weight model releases: nation-state capability, handed to every ransomware group with a laptop. Impactful Moments 00:00 – Introduction 00:30 – Why Black Hat is the show that matters 01:15 – Taking over the Sphere in Vegas 02:15 – Fifteen months off, and a non-stick pan commercial 04:30 – The echo chamber nobody could actually execute on 06:15 – The empty RSA session that became a book 07:00 – Why books can't keep pace with AI anymore 09:15 – Empathy as an antidote to vendor noise 10:15 – SOC 2 and the collapse of traditional bona fides 12:15 – What changes when you leave the industry 13:45 – China's open-weight models as a weapons transfer 17:15 – PLAID: people-led, AI-driven 19:00 – AI-native versus SaaS, 24 hours versus six months 20:30 – Twenty-five percent of your time back, and the river 24:00 – The AI classifier they built and never shipped Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

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  Episode #17

  The Fundamentals Don't Care About Your AI Stack featuring Mark-David McLaughlin

  Jun 9, 202650 minS0

  <p>When Claude Mythos dropped, the question wasn't whether AI could find vulnerabilities, it was whether defenders would move faster than the attackers who were already racing toward the same capability. The gap between those two timelines is shrinking faster than most organizations want to admit, and the teams still betting on the old playbook are about to find out what that costs.</p> <p>Nate and Lior sat down with Mark-David McLaughlin, Head of Security Architecture and Engineering at InterSystems, whose software quietly powers hospitals, health systems, and critical infrastructure worldwide. Mark-David came up through software engineering at Cisco...

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  Episode #16

  Not All Agents Are Created Equal featuring Brian Fricke

  May 20, 202643 minS0

  <p>Breakout time has collapsed from 285 minutes to 17 seconds. Attackers are running orchestration agents around the clock while defenders are still scheduling a meeting about it. </p> <p>Brian Fricke, CISO at AutoNation, has done something rare. He's built security programs from the ground up four times across the military, government, and heavily regulated financial institutions. He joins Nate and Lior, live from RSAC, to break down the governance mistake almost every organization is making with AI agents right now, and what a risk-tiered framework actually looks like in practice.</p> <p>Impactful Moments: <br> 00:00 – Introduction<br> 01:00 – Brian's background: four progra...

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  Episode #15

  The SOC Is a Ticking Clock featuring Anthony LaForte

  Apr 16, 202644 minS0

  <p>The cybersecurity industry has spent decades throwing bodies at the same three problems: too much noise, not enough context, and not enough budget. AI didn't create those problems, but it's about to make ignoring them dangerous.</p> <p><br> Recorded at RSAC Conference 2026, Nate and Lior sat down with Anthony LaForte, Director of Cyber Operations at an HR and benefits tech company protecting the financial and health data of millions. Anthony came up through forensics, malware reverse engineering, and SOC leadership at McKesson, where a mentor told him on day one that a wrong move here means someone dies...

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