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“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.
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Signup to Generate a Pitch“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two.
Recent episodes include "Rebecca Arons" (29 October 2026, 33 minutes), "Tobin Stewart" (24 October 2026, 69 minutes), and "Randy Swiggum" (10 October 2026, 68 minutes).
beyond ArtLess publishes roughly weekly, with episodes averaging 62 minutes across 166 episodes.
Booking probability for beyond ArtLess is 35%, and the host is rated Selective on guests. beyond ArtLess requires a Pod Score of 80 or higher. beyond ArtLess's contact route on record: verified email.
The strongest fits for beyond ArtLess are Artists, Writers & Performers and Courses, Coaching & Lessons. beyond ArtLess has an education audience.
beyond ArtLess is an education podcast with 166 episodes published.
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Episode #10
Send us Fan Mail Becca Arons has contracted ensembles for countless major musical stars – from the Eagles, the Who, Ed Sheeran, Snoop Dog, Cory Wong and Aerosmith to Andrea Bocelli, Stevie Wonder, Weird Al Yankovich...
Episode #9
Send us Fan Mail What does it take to be a great leader? On this episode of Beyond ArtLess, Tobin Stewart, Symphony Orchestra Director and Assistant Professor of Music at Montana State University, joins us to talk about...
Episode #7
Send us Fan Mail What happens when deep commitment to music education, trailblazing pedagogy, and the pursuit of artistry come together in one remarkable career? You get Randy Swiggum, nationally recognized conductor...
Episode #6
Send us Fan Mail Commuter, this week we’re talking about music education, change, and the seemingly radical idea that every kid deserves to see themselves in the music classroom. David Davis has gone from traditional...
Episode #5
Send us Fan Mail Finally, we have a guest that brings some no nonsense Boston sensibility to our upper Midwest goofball hosts. Lisa Linde is long time music teaching wizard at Newton South High School in Massachusetts...
Episode #4
Send us Fan Mail The Band Whisperer: John Greene What do you get when you combine 37 years of teaching, thousands of rehearsals, a lifetime of listening, and a healthy appreciation for classic rock? You get John...
Episode #3
Send us Fan Mail This week on Beyond Artless, we accidentally made an episode that is actually useful. We’re talking copyright, music publishing, digital music, arrangements, AI, and a bunch of other things that music...
Episode #2
Send us Fan Mail Ever wonder what a true visionary in arts administration leads like? Enter our guest Tony Thomann - executive director of the Minnesota Youth Symphonies. Truly dedicated to the cause of young orchestral...
Episode #1
Send us Fan Mail What do you get when you put Chris, Phil, Peter, and Dr. Jennifer Hawkinson in the same room? A conversation full of laughter, honest stories, teaching wisdom, and at least a few moments where you'll...
beyond ArtLess
Send us Fan Mail Welcome Back, Commuters! Welcome back to Season 5 of Beyond ArtLess ! After four seasons, more than 35,000 downloads, and an impressive lack of professional growth on the part of your hosts, we're...
Episode #39
Send us Fan Mail In the Season 4 finale of Beyond ArtLess, we are joined by legendary Chicago Symphony Orchestra tubist Gene Pokorny for a conversation that moves seamlessly from orchestral artistry to teamwork...
Episode #38
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, we journey through the eclectic world of conducting, education, and cultural authenticity — with a side of humor and some self-deprecating confessions. Our guest, Dr. Anthony Marinello...
Episode #37
Send us Fan Mail There is no greater a stumble than an Ostrander introduction of a guest. No helping hands from Gleason or Haberman, either. Our guest is stranded on an island of poorly phrased questions, out of touch...
Episode #36
Send us Fan Mail Get ready for an insightful and humor-packed conversation with Dr. Alicia Neal—a leader whose passion for music education, community building, and authentic connection shines through every story...
Episode #35
Send us Fan Mail It’s only fitting that our longest episode is dedicated to our beloved friend, mentor, and colleague, Nobuyoshi Yasuda. We spend time exploring his childhood in Japan, his journey to UW–Eau Claire...
Episode #34
Send us Fan Mail What does it take to cultivate musical excellence, build real connections with students, and navigate the unpredictability of teaching? Malcolm Burke brings a compelling mix of artistry, humility, and...
Episode #33
Send us Fan Mail After 149 episodes of spirited banter, we finally did the unthinkable—we made an episode without it. Don’t get used to it, though. Odds are the pendulum swings back soon and we overcorrect with an...
Episode #32
Send us Fan Mail This episode features Mike Kamphuis, whose remarkable path to leadership in Conn-Selmer is anything but conventional. From working sprint-car pit crews and running a DJ business to announcing early...
Episode #31
Send us Fan Mail Everything about Chris, Phil and Peter screams antiquated (anti-modern). The jokes, the tech struggles, the slow motion wheezing when attempting to sit or stand. However, our guest is the living...
Episode #30
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Beyond Artless , we sit down with Isaac McMahon, band director at Brookings High School in South Dakota—a musician, educator, and all-around interesting human whose journey to the...
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International Golf Course Rater & Co-Founder of The Lockhart Travel Club, National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum
Professor of Medicine and Chief of Infectious Diseases at Moffitt Cancer and Research Institute, National Association of Benefits and Insurance Professionals
Chief Product Safety and Security Officer, Frederick County Parks and Rec
Executive Director, Marching Bands of America
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