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4 Real is a podcast from Dechert LLP exploring the latest trends and developments in commercial real estate finance. Join co-hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert every month as they delve into current issues impacting both the legal and business aspects of real estate finance transactions, including lending, securitization and restructuring. Each episode features market commentary and interviews with industry thought leaders, providing listeners with valuable insights and practical advice, plus a little banter along the way. © 2026 Dechert LLP. All rights reserved. This information should not be considered as legal opinions on specific facts or as a substitute for legal counsel. It is provided by Dechert LLP as a general informational service and may be considered attorney advertising in some jurisdictions.
Dechert LLP hosts 4 Real, a business show with 33 episodes published.
What if the insurance program you thought was protecting your deal is actually what's putting it at risk? In this episode of our 4 Real podcast, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Kate Mylod sit down with Emily Rasmussen,
In this episode of Dechert 4 Real, hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert welcome Moody’s Ratings’ SVP and former Dechert lawyer Dan Rubock to the podcast for an in-depth look at his career shaping how the agency evaluates the
Artificial intelligence is everywhere, but aren’t the implications for commercial real estate limited to data centers? In this episode, 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert sit down with Dechert litigation counsel Wil
Which CRE discussions energized the record-breaking and decidedly optimistic attendees at this year’s CREFC Conference in Miami? In this special edition of Dechert’s 4 Real podcast, Matt Armstrong, Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilber
In our final episode for 2025, Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert are joined by corporate partner Ross MacConnell for an inside look on rated funds and their intersection with commercial real estate. Plus, w
In our 28th episode, Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor and Kate Mylod sit down with Richard Flohr of CrossHarbor Capital Partners for a discussion on all things transitional lending, including construction financing and Ri
What’s driving the robust and very competitive transitional multifamily real estate market? In this episode of 4 Real, hosts Jon Gaynor and Matt Armstrong highlight changes and emerging opportunities in this market with
How does fund finance fit into leading investment firms’ broader lending strategies? In this edition of Dechert’s 4 Real podcast, hosts Jon Gaynor and Stewart McQueen sit down with Missy Dolski and Jim Dunbar of Värde Pa
What is driving the uptick in real estate M&A activity? Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert sit down with global finance partner Justin Gdula to discuss the mechanics of real estate-backed M&A transactions, t
Has a “bullishly measured” commercial real estate outlook for 2025 become “cautiously fatigued”? Dechert 4 Real’s Matt Armstrong, Jon Gaynor, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod rank the 5 biggest takeaways from this year’s C
Looking for a primer on the top-of-mind terms and topics in bankruptcy matters today? Dechert 4 Real has you covered as hosts Jon Gaynor and Kate Mylod sit down with David Herman, partner in Dechert’s financial restructu
Recording for the first time in Dechert’s Charlotte office, 4 Real’s Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Ella Smith invite Trimont Chief of Staff Cindy Barreda and Senior Managing Director Leslie Hayton to the pod to discuss Tri
Spring is in the air as Dechert 4 Real’s Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert take a fresh look at the world of real estate debt funds with Dechert financial services partner Gerry Brown, discussing market trends, the
Listen to the top five biggest takeaways from the CREFC annual conference in Miami on our first episode of 2025 with Dechert 4 Real Podcast co-host Jon Gaynor and producers Matt Armstrong, Kate Mylod and Stewart McQueen
Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert sit down with Dechert finance & real estate partner Justin Gdula to discuss the latest trends in data center deals, real estate M&A activity and Canadian CMBS.
What is the current state of commercial mortgage-backed security, or CMBS? Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert invite the managing director and head of North American CMBS ratings activity at Morn
Dechert global finance partner Ani Ravi joins Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert for an informative discussion about the relationship between NAV facilities, subscription lines and repo financing
Dechert 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert are joined by Barclays Head of CMBS Research Lea Overby to discuss commercial real estate trends we can expect in the second half of 2024, floating rate debt ri
Dechert’s Jon Gaynor, Kate Mylod, Stewart McQueen and Matt Armstrong dive into the biggest conversations coming out of the 2024 CREFC Annual Conference in New York, including return-to-office trends, the “acceptance of r
Hosts Jon Gaynor, Ella Smith and Sam Gilbert welcome BMO Capital Markets Managing Director Leah Nivison to discuss recent trends in the agency commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS) market, the importance of mentor
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